Got ya, thanks for convincing me that someone walking around Taliban controlled streets to get interviews isnt a badass. Ted Cruz is criticizing her too, but forgive me if I dont think a guy who fled his own state due to lack of power is in any position to call out somebody elses bravery, but you do you and continue to be stupid.
Remember that time we left Afghanistan
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Got ya, thanks for convincing me that someone walking around Taliban controlled streets to get interviews isnt a badass. Ted Cruz is criticizing her too, but forgive me if I dont think a guy who fled his own state due to lack of power is in any position to call out somebody elses bravery, but you do you and continue to be stupid.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with her, you are right, but thanks for the contribution.
The monumental level of naiveite illustrated in this post helps explain why America keeps doing such incredibly stupid things in the Middle East.
Biden suffers from premature evacuation.
What could have Biden done to stop them from taking over? I honestly want to hear those views. A lot say its on him but give no insight of what he could have done?
Clearly not what I’ve said in this thread, and you have no interest in a good-faith discussion. Have a nice day and fûck off.
Zero. When Afghan soldiers aren’t willing to fight to uphold a western government style, it’s a failed mission. There wasn’t a prolonged final exit for precisely the reason you see now. Afghan civilians clogging up departure points. Would have been even more difficult to extract people in that scenario. It sucks for Afghanis who have grown up for 20 years in a pseudo democratic state, but short of infinite military intervention in the country, this was always going to be the end state. Everyone agrees on this. Biden has egg on his face because of the swiftness that it occurred leading to the mad rush of departures. But for the most part these people stayed in the country in spite of the looming military withdrawal. They had faith that their home country had the government and military infrastructure to continue operating as they had under US military supervision. That faith appears to have been misplaced.
He’s right that professional academics skew left (particularly lib arts disciplines), but he’s wrong about why.
They skew left because they’re entirely focused on ideas that don’t ever have to work in practice. They only have to sound good.
Your BDS would have criticized Biden if we had stayed. You see that’s how BDS works.
'We could have done more' - frustration grows in Washington over Biden's Kabul evacuation
Frustration and anger at U.S. President Joe Biden’s handling of evacuations from Afghanistan are mounting among administration officials, lawmakers of both parties and advocacy groups.
www.reuters.com
the answer most neocons are giving is leaving the 2500 troops there indefinitely .
but then no one follows up that it would have broke the Taliban deal putting their lives at risk which probably leads to a surge in troops and the never ending cycle continues while in this hypothetical the GOP calls him ‘forever wars Biden’
I just responded to this with an article that mentions how upset lots of military and political people on both sides of the aisle are with how this has been botched.
We withdrew our troops while visas for Afghans who worked for us were in process, and left them there to die.
What people also dont appear to realize, is that the Taliban had already started taking over other towns and regions throughout the country. THe 2500 troops might have kept Kabul stable, but it wasnt stopping the Taliban from making inroads in other places, and who knows if at somepoint if they wouldnt have gone for Kabul too even with troops in the country.
That is certainly fair criticism, and quite simply they miscalculated. I think they thought they would have months to be able to do all of that, which obviously wasnt the case.
It cost people who trusted us and went out on a limb to help us their lives and their families.
That’s horrific and inexcusable.
That 100% correct so what was everyone's plan if we stayed another few months? Delay the inevitable? It sucks for sure but Trump supports (some who raided our own capitol building) will say otherwise.
They had 20 years! they new this was coming it was announced and Obama wanted to do this 10 years ago. It is horrific but what could they of done? A few months would not have change the state of the county.
Ah yes, more brave heroes sitting in their studios tweeting and misquoting a reporter who is actually on the ground.
Wait until every Afghani visa is approved of course. If we stopped letting Mexicans in we could let more of the Afghans in.
Again your operating in a hypothetical world.....Can you show me where they are?
It comes down to the 2000 election. I've heard a lot of people say that Gore wouldn't have gotten us into this mess, but I disagree. He would have done the exact same thing that Bush did. Paul and Buchanon are the only 2 real candidates that would have handled things differently.
Oh I utterly disagree with this. And FDR and Congress were poor examples too. WWII changed government in all the wrong ways.
It was the American individual, not the government, that won WWII. Stop giving incompetent government credit.
Even Nancy Pelosi was read the riot act by a CEO for taking credit for something $0 of taxpayer money paid for the R&D of, just because the government bought some of the resulting product.
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But the US Media only points to China when the Dems are in charge.If the taliban kill people and we were never there it’s barely a story. Now that we left, every death is going to be framed as a foreign policy failure. Meanwhile China is committing genocide. But at least they aren’t doing after we occupied them for 20 years…
When the GOP is in charge, China is fine, we are not, and we should not be critical of China.
Even Europeans see it.
^^^ This
Biden is getting beat up right now because he blamed Trump.
Had Biden shown some leadership and said it was always going to end similarly to this way, setting expectations better, then Americans would have understood.
Obama did the same thing with things W. didn't actually cause, like Korea and Russia, and that backfired as well.
Don't be President and then blame the prior guy. At most Biden could have said some things were already in motion.
But nope... deflection, full on deflection.
He doesn't, but the people who still say Gore wouldn't have gotten involved in Afghanistan or 9/11 wouldn't have happened are lying to themselves.
Everyone was for kicking butt, sans those handful.
Just because you disagree doesnt mean its true and you cant argue this as a hypothetical. YOu have no clue what Al Gore would have done, and blaming him for something he had no part in is just to try to take blame off Bush.
True, those were overt, but people were cheering on the government... until the results.
Which is why we will befall the Marxist results of Venezula far more than any socialism of Europe.
I just hope we are not disarmed and us peppers forced to give away our provisions, before that happens.
Are you kidding? I consider Bush to be one of the worst presidents since reconstruction. The wars, NCLB, TARP, FISA, the patriot act. It was an utter failure
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