Shooting at High School in Santa Fe, TX

[chemmie]

Too many entrances to schools.
Culture of violence.
Teachers don't have guns to protect students.

Thank god this generation of idiots is dying off. They have some brainwashed children like we see in this forum, but most of their kids and grandkids realized long ago that they were ludicrous. Two more election cycles and all of this crap will start to get fixed finally.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Too many entrances to schools.
Culture of violence.
Teachers don't have guns to protect students.

Thank god this generation of idiots is dying off. They have some brainwashed children like we see in this forum, but most of their kids and grandkids realized long ago that they were ludicrous. Two more election cycles and all of this crap will start to get fixed finally.

Do you not care to find out why so many kids want to kill their classmates?

 

[chemmie]

Do you not care to find out why so many kids want to kill their classmates?

What would cause you to draw a conclusion like that?

Oh yea, you're an idiot.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Reminder: the revolver was developed in the 16th century and the shotgun was first put into service in the early 1700’s.

Both were the weapons used in Texas.

The gun grabbers are besides themselves in dealing with this fact since they can’t accuse the NRA, Marco Rubio, or average people at home for the murders of others. They can’t point to a scary looking black gun and demand frivolous attribute bans.

For once they may have to look and admit what is really going on here- our society is absolutely poisoned and sick and it doesn’t matter a goddamn thing what weapon is or isn’t available. Sick twisted assholes who are turned to monsters by modern American society will commit murder with whatever they have available.

 

[The Branch]

Too many entrances to schools.
Culture of violence.
Teachers don't have guns to protect students.

Thank god this generation of idiots is dying off. They have some brainwashed children like we see in this forum, but most of their kids and grandkids realized long ago that they were ludicrous. Two more election cycles and all of this crap will start to get fixed finally.

Why two more election cycles? Trump has only been president for 2 years. Why wasn't it fixed before? This isn't a new problem.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

What would cause you to draw a conclusion like that?

Oh yea, you're an idiot.

Because you haven't said anything about wanting to find out why kids want to kill each other. Just your normal faux rage about guns and conservatives. Obama and liberals had filibuster proof majorities and did nothing about big scary guns.

 

[UCFWayne]

they could fix the problem of states not reporting into the back ground check system but they keep shoving crap into the bill to fix it that make it so it wont be passed. insane. that is the problem with our gov today.

 

[UCFKnight85]

A while back I made a comment about how our society is degenerating due to the evidence of just how awful and downright evil many kids are compared to the past. I had the typical core of posters here trying to ridicule that comment and claim that kids are just as awful now as they were in the past.

Anyone really want to hold to that argument now? It's interesting how these people rail against the "spike" in school shootings, committed by teenagers, yet in the next breath will insist that our society and children are no more f*cked up than they were decades prior. It's incoherent.

There is a disease in this country and in our society. Kids have been bullied and have had beefs with other kids pretty much since schools existed. Yet its' only recently that the first response for so many deranged evil kids is to go home, grab daddy's gun, and set out to murder classmates. This was an extremely rare thing just 20-25 years ago. Columbine shocked the entire world since it was such an oddity at that time.

 

[NinjaKnight]

A while back I made a comment about how our society is degenerating due to the evidence of just how awful and downright evil many kids are compared to the past. I had the typical core of posters here trying to ridicule that comment and claim that kids are just as awful now as they were in the past.

Anyone really want to hold to that argument now? It's interesting how these people rail against the "spike" in school shootings, committed by teenagers, yet in the next breath will insist that our society and children are no more f*cked up than they were decades prior. It's incoherent.

There is a disease in this country and in our society. Kids have been bullied and have had beefs with other kids pretty much since schools existed. Yet its' only recently that the first response for so many deranged evil kids is to go home, grab daddy's gun, and set out to murder classmates. This was an extremely rare thing just 20-25 years ago. Columbine shocked the entire world since it was such an oddity at that time.

Yes, you are a complete and utter moron who has repeatedly demonstrated that you have zero comprehension of how statistics work, with this being the latest case, and blame some mysterious "disease within our country and in our society"

 

[chemmie]

There is a disease in this country!!!! Heathens! These children need GOD!! No more alcohol or reefers!!! No more pornography! No more fornication! Cure the disease, with GOD's powers!

 

[NinjaKnight]

There is a disease in this country!!!! Heathens! These children need GOD!! No more alcohol or reefers!!! No more pornography! No more fornication! Cure the disease, with GOD's powers!

lol it is so easy to see through 85's ignorant shtick. Too bad he's too much of a pussy to even read it. Fuk statistics/science and the mass proliferation of guns.

 

[The Branch]

lol it is so easy to see through 85's ignorant shtick. Too bad he's too much of a pussy to even read it. Fuk statistics/science and the mass proliferation of guns.

Explain the proliferation of guns. Everywhere I look I see that in the U.S. the percentage of homes with a gun has either held steady for 30 years or slightly declined. In fact, the Washington Post wrote an article 2 years ago saying the number was at it's lowest in a long time. (I'm sure you can find the article with a quick google).

 

[Crazyhole]

A while back I made a comment about how our society is degenerating due to the evidence of just how awful and downright evil many kids are compared to the past. I had the typical core of posters here trying to ridicule that comment and claim that kids are just as awful now as they were in the past.

Anyone really want to hold to that argument now? It's interesting how these people rail against the "spike" in school shootings, committed by teenagers, yet in the next breath will insist that our society and children are no more f*cked up than they were decades prior. It's incoherent.

There is a disease in this country and in our society. Kids have been bullied and have had beefs with other kids pretty much since schools existed. Yet its' only recently that the first response for so many deranged evil kids is to go home, grab daddy's gun, and set out to murder classmates. This was an extremely rare thing just 20-25 years ago. Columbine shocked the entire world since it was such an oddity at that time.

It's just anecdotal evidence, but I have to say that watching the way students in my kids' schools treat one another I think it's better than it was when I was their ages. I have been amazed several times how well their peers treat the kids who would have been mocked and ridiculed when I was in school. There are still outcast kids who are pretty dark and isolated but watching the general population interact with autistic, retarded, or otherwise slow kids is pretty inspiring.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Explain the proliferation of guns. Everywhere I look I see that in the U.S. the percentage of homes with a gun has either held steady for 30 years or slightly declined. In fact, the Washington Post wrote an article 2 years ago saying the number was at it's lowest in a long time. (I'm sure you can find the article with a quick google).

You would be 100% correct:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-now-at-a-30-year-low/?utm_term=.37b0fe94d820

Any individual trying to tell you otherwise is blatantly lying.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Explain the proliferation of guns. Everywhere I look I see that in the U.S. the percentage of homes with a gun has either held steady for 30 years or slightly declined. In fact, the Washington Post wrote an article 2 years ago saying the number was at it's lowest in a long time. (I'm sure you can find the article with a quick google).

Are you talking about this WaPo article from 2015 that says there are now more guns than people in the US?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...en-some/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f66c870184d8

That is called "mass proliferation".

 

[UCFWayne]

It's just anecdotal evidence, but I have to say that watching the way students in my kids' schools treat one another I think it's better than it was when I was their ages. I have been amazed several times how well their peers treat the kids who would have been mocked and ridiculed when I was in school. There are still outcast kids who are pretty dark and isolated but watching the general population interact with autistic, retarded, or otherwise slow kids is pretty inspiring.

i think they way they interact is significantly better than when i was in school

that said, kids today dont seem to have the coping mechanisms that kids had when i was in school. that seems to be one of the bigger problems now.

 

[Crazyhole]

i think they way they interact is significantly better than when i was in school

that said, kids today dont seem to have the coping mechanisms that kids had when i was in school. that seems to be one of the bigger problems now.

Agreed. I still believe that video games have affected some kids in a way that has propagated the shootings, but in general I think the kids I've been around are much kinder than my generation was.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Agreed. I still believe that video games have affected some kids in a way that has propagated the shootings, but in general I think the kids I've been around are much kinder than my generation was.

The extremes have grown. Largely aided by social media. The seemingly caring kid at school could be a raging shithead to other kids on social media. My friend is a school psychologist in Broward and it's unreal how often kids project as normal at school, then unleash in a pack mentality in Instagram or Snapchat.

It used to be that if a kid was bullied (which is horrible), it at least stopped at school. They could go home and enjoy the rest of their day without being tormented. Now that's largely gone since most kids are on social media and the bullying just continues endlessly. There HAS to be some type of psychological cost to that type of extended abuse.

 

[NinjaKnight]

It's just anecdotal evidence, but I have to say that watching the way students in my kids' schools treat one another I think it's better than it was when I was their ages. I have been amazed several times how well their peers treat the kids who would have been mocked and ridiculed when I was in school. There are still outcast kids who are pretty dark and isolated but watching the general population interact with autistic, retarded, or otherwise slow kids is pretty inspiring.

I wish I could uplike this twice solely for the recognition of "anecdotal evidence". I swear no one else on this board understands how that works.

 

[UCFWayne]

Agreed. I still believe that video games have affected some kids in a way that has propagated the shootings, but in general I think the kids I've been around are much kinder than my generation was.

i think it has more to do with the news cycle and plastering the picture of the killer everywhere. i think there is something about achieving infamy

 

[bqknight]

A while back I made a comment about how our society is degenerating due to the evidence of just how awful and downright evil many kids are compared to the past. I had the typical core of posters here trying to ridicule that comment and claim that kids are just as awful now as they were in the past.

Anyone really want to hold to that argument now? It's interesting how these people rail against the "spike" in school shootings, committed by teenagers, yet in the next breath will insist that our society and children are no more f*cked up than they were decades prior. It's incoherent.

There is a disease in this country and in our society. Kids have been bullied and have had beefs with other kids pretty much since schools existed. Yet its' only recently that the first response for so many deranged evil kids is to go home, grab daddy's gun, and set out to murder classmates. This was an extremely rare thing just 20-25 years ago. Columbine shocked the entire world since it was such an oddity at that time.

What's the disease?

 

[NinjaKnight]

i think it has more to do with the news cycle and plastering the picture of the killer everywhere. i think there is something about achieving infamy

Absolutely this. Its the easiest way for losers to get their name/face out there.

Stop fuking plastering their info everywhere and see what happens.

 

[sk8knight]

I wish I could uplike this twice solely for the recognition of "anecdotal evidence". I swear no one else on this board understands how that works.

We all understand anecdotal evidence and "how that works." Since none of us in here are sociologists, most of us are bringing anecdotal evidence to the conversation. That's not a landbreaking observation.

I am curious, if one were to study 85's hypothesis that there is a deterioration of society that contributes to aggressive behavior, once engaged, is more violent and destructive than ever before; how would one go about studying that? Surely by looking at the raw numbers of aggressive outbursts over time. But wouldn't there also be a study of the stories of people to try to winnow out common details that could be contributing factors? All of that is anecdotal evidence by itself, but the analysis aggregates to something more through the process.

 

[Crazyhole]

I wish I could uplike this twice solely for the recognition of "anecdotal evidence". I swear no one else on this board understands how that works.

I can repost it if you want to like it again.

 

[Crazyhole]

We all understand anecdotal evidence and "how that works." Since none of us in here are sociologists, most of us are bringing anecdotal evidence to the conversation. That's not a landbreaking observation.

I am curious, if one were to study 85's hypothesis that there is a deterioration of society that contributes to aggressive behavior, once engaged, is more violent and destructive than ever before; how would one go about studying that? Surely by looking at the raw numbers of aggressive outbursts over time. But wouldn't there also be a study of the stories of people to try to winnow out common details that could be contributing factors? All of that is anecdotal evidence by itself, but the analysis aggregates to something more through the process.

Great point, and we all do it from our own limited experiences. If I never watched the news or came on to the internet I would have no idea that shootings even happen, so I would just think that kids are kinder than they used to be. That's probably why our own personal aggregated evidence is a little bit skewed, because bad stories get more time in the media and on the internet than the good stories do. Who knows if what I or you or anybody else has a grasp on is representative in the least.

 

[NinjaKnight]

We all understand anecdotal evidence and "how that works." Since none of us in here are sociologists, most of us are bringing anecdotal evidence to the conversation. That's not a landbreaking observation.

Sadly you vastly overestimate the cooler's understanding of basic statistics. Hell, 85 is basing his entire explanation of this on anecdotal evidence, and is trying to support it with his latest post above this one with his anecdotal evidence.

The truth is there are more guns, more students, more news coverage and more schools than at any time in history. so the result is an increase in both the # of school shootings and our perception of them.

 

[sk8knight]

Great point, and we all do it from our own limited experiences. If I never watched the news or came on to the internet I would have no idea that shootings even happen, so I would just think that kids are kinder than they used to be. That's probably why our own personal aggregated evidence is a little bit skewed, because bad stories get more time in the media and on the internet than the good stories do. Who knows if what I or you or anybody else has a grasp on is representative in the least.

Different viewpoints are what makes for good conversation. I'm not really sure if it adds to our community to go google random studies that support our points every time we have a discussion without any regard to legitimacy of those studies or not. Confusing matters, a good deal of the "settled" observational science of the last century is starting to be challenged and rebutted thus making it harder to form purely science-driven opinions.

 

[Crazyhole]

Different viewpoints are what makes for good conversation. I'm not really sure if it adds to our community to go google random studies that support our points every time we have a discussion without any regard to legitimacy of those studies or not. Confusing matters, a good deal of the "settled" observational science of the last century is starting to be challenged and rebutted thus making it harder to form purely science-driven opinions.

Not to kiss your ass, but this is one of the most level-headed posts I've ever read on a message board. Seriously impressed.

 

[NinjaKnight]

I can repost it if you want to like it again.

By all means

 

[sk8knight]

Sadly you vastly overestimate the cooler's understanding of basic statistics. Hell, 85 is basing his entire explanation of this on anecdotal evidence, and is trying to support it with his latest post above this one with his anecdotal evidence.

The truth is there are more guns, more students, more news coverage and more schools than at any time in history. so the result is an increase in both the # of school shootings and our perception of them.

The "more guns" point is misleading in a vacuum. If responsible gun owners that keep their weapons secured and never have an issue, then tripling the number of guns in their hands is not a dangerous factor. It would be far more informative to know how the number of guns that are kept irresponsibly has moved. That would give you far more information about potential threat than the simple number of guns available.

 

[NinjaKnight]

The "more guns" point is misleading in a vacuum. If responsible gun owners that keep their weapons secured and never have an issue, then tripling the number of guns in their hands is not a dangerous factor. It would be far more informative to know how the number of guns that are kept irresponsibly has moved. That would give you far more information about potential threat than the simple number of guns available.

Well sure, but we don't live in a vacuum and never will. There will always be a percentage of gun owners who are irresponsible.

 

[Poolside Knight]

if you refuse to acknowledge that the surplus of guns in this country is part(not all) of the problem then you just think American society is that sick and broken compared to other developed nations?

 

[NinjaKnight]

if you refuse to acknowledge that the surplus of guns in this country is part(not all) of the problem then you just think American society is that sick and broken compared to other developed nations?

Lol, the most religious country in the western developed world just needs more Jesus compared to Europe, Canada and Australia according to 85

 

[sk8knight]

Well sure, but we don't live in a vacuum and never will. There will always be a percentage of gun owners who are irresponsible.

Which is why I said that we need to find out what that number/demographic is so that we can target our policies and initiatives towards that demographic.

 

[UCFKnight85]

if you refuse to acknowledge that the surplus of guns in this country is part(not all) of the problem then you just think American society is that sick and broken compared to other developed nations?

Sure. It’s part of the problem.

But I know for a fact that there are shotguns and revolvers all over Europe, especially in Italy, Spain, France, and Eastern Europe. Actually thousands of semi autos there too. Somehow they are not having their kids run home to bring those guns to school to mass murder people.

So yes, American society is uniquely sick to some degree. Denying this is almost futile at this point

 

[sk8knight]

if you refuse to acknowledge that the surplus of guns in this country is part(not all) of the problem then you just think American society is that sick and broken compared to other developed nations?

Could you define your concept of surplus in this instance?

 

[bqknight]

Sure. It’s part of the problem.

But I know for a fact that there are shotguns and revolvers all over Europe, especially in Italy, Spain, France, and Eastern Europe. Actually thousands of semi autos there too. Somehow they are not having their kids run home to bring those guns to school to mass murder people.

So yes, American society is uniquely sick to some degree. Denying this is almost futile at this point

What do you think the "sickness" is then?

You harp on and on about how morally bankrupt and sick Europe is all the time.

I think part of it is America's culture on violence. Violence is no big deal here, while in Europe violence is a big no-no. Instead, the USA chooses to focus it's attention on nudity and other "morally bankrupt" values.

If anything, our sickness is our inability and fear to do anything about guns and violence. Your post pretty much says what all of us "libs" have been trying to say. The very vast majority do not want to take away your guns, instead we want people to be smarter and more secure about actually having them.

 

[UCFKnight85]

What do you think the "sickness" is then?

You harp on and on about how morally bankrupt and sick Europe is all the time.

I think part of it is America's culture on violence. Violence is no big deal here, while in Europe violence is a big no-no. Instead, the USA chooses to focus it's attention on nudity and other "morally bankrupt" values.

If anything, our sickness is our inability and fear to do anything about guns and violence. Your post pretty much says what all of us "libs" have been trying to say. The very vast majority do not want to take away your guns, instead we want people to be smarter and more secure about actually having them.

You think it's "macho" focus on guns and violence. I think it's the systematic pumping of corrupted values into society (that may be liberal in nature) and the growing contempt for religious life and people. So basically let's just agree to disagree up front.

You do realize that something can be sick without a 100% diagnosis, yes? You are getting defensive at me saying this yet I've not once tried to assign a root cause or blame anywhere. Probably because you are making assumptions.

Your last point is a gross generalization. Violence is a no-no in Europe? They watch the same movies and play the same games that our kids do. I think it's simplistically ignorant to just assume that our kids see violence and cheer it, whereas European kids frown upon it in a more mature fashion.

 

[bqknight]

You think it's "macho" focus on guns and violence. I think it's the systematic pumping of corrupted values into society (that may be liberal in nature) and the growing contempt for religious life and people. So basically let's just agree to disagree up front.

You do realize that something can be sick without a 100% diagnosis, yes? You are getting defensive at me saying this yet I've not once tried to assign a root cause or blame anywhere. Probably because you are making assumptions.

Your last point is a gross generalization. Violence is a no-no in Europe? They watch the same movies and play the same games that our kids do. I think it's simplistically ignorant to just assume that our kids see violence and cheer it, whereas European kids frown upon it in a more mature fashion.

1. I don't think it has anything to do with being "macho". I think it has to do with violence. No hidden meaning behind that violence. Just violence, plain and simple.

2. Are these same corruptions you think are being pumped into society not being done in Europe as well? You've said multiple times that Europe is more morally corrupt than the USA. You said the USA is uniquely sick. How so? What liberal sickness is being pumped up here but not there?

3. I'm not sure where I was getting defensive. I honestly wanted to know your thoughts about the above because it's not all connecting to me. I'm 99.9% sure there is not 1 root cause, it's too complex of an issue for there to be a simple solution.

4. Yes - of course Europe has the same movies and video games as us - however - they also have stricter rules and tighter guidelines on violence.

5. Yes - we will obviously not agree on this - didn't expect us to. lol.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Sure. It’s part of the problem.

But I know for a fact that there are shotguns and revolvers all over Europe, especially in Italy, Spain, France, and Eastern Europe. Actually thousands of semi autos there too. Somehow they are not having their kids run home to bring those guns to school to mass murder people.

So yes, American society is uniquely sick to some degree. Denying this is almost futile at this point

I honestly don't know if you are being intentional about your incredible bias right now. Yes there are shotguns and revolvers all over Europe. There are literally orders of magnitude LESS shotguns and revolvers all over Europe compared the US. Are you capable of understanding how this relates to fewer mass shootings?

You think it's "macho" focus on guns and violence. I think it's the systematic pumping of corrupted values into society (that may be liberal in nature) and the growing contempt for religious life and people. So basically let's just agree to disagree up front.

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Another incredibly easy point to refute. Europe is significantly less religious and more liberal than the US. According to your incredibly backwards theory, Europe should have more shootings.

You have a seriously problem in coming up with your hypothesis and disregarding all facts.