Yeah so of course this is still 100% bullshit. You really just post lies and bullshit on here.
Televangelist seeks donations for $54M private jet
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Yeah so of course this is still 100% bullshit. You really just post lies and bullshit on here.
Not sure I would go that far, but I tend to agree. It would depend on the message being sent from that church and whether or not it is for personal greed or not. I think jesus would have a serious problem with ATMs in churches that make a % off of the transactions, which is basically what the money changers were doing. Free coffee? Probably wouldn't garner the same response from christ but Paul would have shit a brick over it.
Edit: also, jesus didn't have a problem with the size or scope of the temple. It was the profiteering that set him off. He didn't call for it to be destroyed because it was too fancy, even though it was probably one of the fanciest buildings in Jerusalem.
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Might want to walk that one back. It isn't the tithing that bothers atheists, it's how the tithing is spent.
Churches today are in direct competition with so many other more entertaining entities vying for the attention of people. They need to get people in the door in order to convey the message and in order for the people to benefit from the church family. They need to be comfortable to be a place that people want to spend time. It’s a win-win situation and it comes out of their own pockets. Donations are asked for explicitly to cover what they want to do and progress is reported to the congregation. The bottom line is that sometimes you have to evolve a bit when the world changes around you.
I couldn’t tell you what it takes to have a personal relationship with God. I’m sure there are others here who could. What I do know is that it isn’t my place or yours (Ninja) to judge that.
Couldn't agree more. We live in the most comfortable and prosperous country in the history of the world. Overcoming that and accepting that spiritual duality isn't a thing makes it a challenge. It's a hard sell to people who already feel fulfilled even if it's just temporal. That's why I said that I don't like it, but if that's what it takes to get people in the door then I can't judge it.
Meh, I've read the new testament front to back, if you want to make up some fantasy scenario where you think Jesus would be OK with this pastor having a private jet while people literally starve to death that's fine, but I'll make fun of you as well.
I will judge the fuk out of anyone donating to him, and be 100% right about it. They are massive hypocrites.
I have no idea what Jesus would or wouldn’t be ok with and I wouldn’t presume to guess. Honestly, I really don’t care if he gets it or not. As an American, I think he has the right to ask for it and people can give it to him if they want.
If you’re concerned about people wasting money on extravagances while others starve, there are far more egregious examples than this evangelist to go after.
I’m not walking back anything just because they’re too stupid to understand that everyone putting money in that basket understands that it will go largely in part to pay for expenses that the Church incurs. Betty Sue knows that as do I.
For Christ’s sakes, every Sunday the priest reads out EXACTLY what the priority projects are that they’re asking for help with.
It’s not my job to account for others ignorance
Cool, so you are both 100% inventing things to argue against that I never said. I never said it should be illegal or not allowed to donate to these pastors.
I have been saying that these so called Christians are either hypocrites or just ignorant if they think donating to a pastor so he can buy a jet is a Christian thing to do.
Again, not the issue. Atheists question the validity of where the money goes. You and I both know very well that some of it goes to pay pastors, secretaries, etc, and they pay tax on that income. Even if it is exorbitant amounts of money, it's still taxed on a personal level. Charitable giving? Again not in question. What IS in question to them is whether a 50 million dollar jet is in any way, shape, or form a part of evangelism and free from being taxed. Some extreme atheists think that even reupholstering the pews shouldn't be tax free. I disagree with that, but it's a valid argument.
Again, just eliminate the tax code and it all goes away. The root problem isn't who is getting the benefits of it , it's that the system is inherently flawed
You also digressed into coffee nooks and sound systems and said they didn’t need anything more than they had in biblical times. So, a bit more than confining your criticism to this evangelist.
And if Saban needs a private jet to recruit football players, than why wouldn’t an evangelist need a private jet to recruit Christians.
I doubt you guys deal with this in florida, but up here there are churches that own farm land and make income off of them tax free. Sometimes its farmland that is hundreds of miles away. Should that be legit? Should a church of whatever stripe be able to own a business that has nothing to do with their evangelism and pay no tax on that income?
In a forum full of terrible analogies you just made the top 10 worst list. Congratulations
A private jet is an extreme, extreme outlier in this country for any religion. It’s such an outlier that even using it as an example for Christianity in a broader sense is asinine. And used by opportunists who only want to shit on Christians generally.
And also, we live in the South. Football is religion. Therefore, directly appropriate.
Do you really want the government to decide what you can use for business or not through the tax codes to that degree? What if they determined that most trucks were not legitimate business vehicles and therefore not deductible? Then we all have to buy the government-approved truck?
I read that as Satan, not Saban, since the statement ended with Christians.
Jokes aside ... even Alabama and other entities do not get to write-off all that usage. Talk to any corporate accountant, and they'll tell you how much isn't deductible, and how they are always trying to find ways to get around limitations in usage that are only partially write-offs.
Trump only made some things worse with the new tax code simplification. I don't think the left-wingers realize how much the corporate write-offs just got shrunk, even though the overall rate dropped (to a sane level, unlike prior, with the rest of the world).
Cool, so can I write off my car, I am the founder of my own religion and I need it to spread the good word.
Enjoy jail for tax evasion, or at least a good amount of high percentage penalties.
I figured all you’d need is a mirror so you can worship yourself.
^^^ Pretty much sums up the Progressive problem in-a-nutshell.
"We're correct, you're not, and you're a Trump supporter if you disagree, and that's what's wrong with America."
We always have had an open budget .peopke can see what each and every operating cost is and basically provide a number that is needed weekly to meet operating costs , ac , maintenance , salary etc . Most often a separate offering is provided with a marked envelope for mission work , community out reach etc . If you desired you could contribute funds only to these projects . That’s much easier to do with a smaller budget and smaller congregation and is only made possible by having folks that understand there is no church if basic operating needs are not met . The church my wife grew up in has grown much larger . They still do plenty of good but it has a different feel to us
Now .
Now .
Are you capable of making a post that doesn't include the words "progressive, libertarian, or sheep"?
I don't see the big deal. Just a big expensive plane. Give him a few donations and help this man out. Travel commercial isn't fun. I hope he isn't going cheap and not hiring a good chef.
Only if 100% of the income generated goes to charity. In concept, I would think that it's no different than having a church bake sale, selling items at a church bazaar or a church run thrift store.
Hell that's nothing compared to the Mormon
They are buying insanely large chunks of land in Georgia too from what I understand . It’s eother the church or organized investors operating under the church name
My colleague lives in eastern Idaho smack dab in LDS world. The Mormons own huge areas of land up there too. He said they use it primarily for Agro projects and many of the prominent LDS leaders in that area are "preppers" in nature, and view that land as ways to feed people in the future if there are food shortages or any sort of natural/manmade disaster.
They've been approached to sell at a premium and refused.
Don't know what they're doing with land in Florida but they aren't exactly throwing up condos and hotels on that property.
They've been approached to sell at a premium and refused.
Don't know what they're doing with land in Florida but they aren't exactly throwing up condos and hotels on that property.
If our future consists of overly friendly people and multiple wives, I'm ok with that.
As a white guy that doesn't drink much, sure it'd be great. But if you were a black guy 40 years ago or a homosexual today or if you enjoy anything remotely fun, you'll change your tune.
Dude, more power to you if you think you can keep more than one woman happy at a time.
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