You have to be kidding. I've been bitching about the deficit spending forever, including under trump. That is his single biggest failure.
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I'll give you that one. But IMHO there is a big difference between Trump greasing the palms of his fat-cat friends and fast-tracking money to families who have kids to feed, bills to pay, and no income coming in.
And when it comes to picking Trump's single biggest failure, the list is so long, it's hard to pick just one.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is a huge unemployment package with the stimulus and the extra big stimulus check. If corporations completely fail there is no jobs to go back to later.
But...but....those evil corporations. If we only had government!
While you have successfully changed the subject, tell me who wrote the actual bill that congress (90 members) signed off on.
You say in a thread about Republicans struggling to reconcile the reality of the scenario we're all facing with their pat political philosophy.
Who said anything about screwing over corporations? This stimulus bill has over half-a-trillion for the Treasury to dole out.
I did hear this morning that Trump pointed out when he signed the bill that he could give a sh*t about any oversight committee when it comes time to dole out that money. However, that was a key component of the bill that was negotiated and that he signed.
So it remains to be seen whether this becomes another Trump "FU" to Congress down the road. We'll see.
Do you find it convenient to parse statements from others so that you can avoid going on record? It's extremely annoying.
Who wrote the bill?
I'm just calling your shit out. You're complaining about where the money will go and attributing it to trump but wont answer the question of who wrote the bill. Self-unaware? That does describe one of us but it ain't me.
Then just SAY it.
Enough with the asinine questions you think are some magical 'gotcha' gems.
Gotcha? Nah, just pointing out hypocrisy. You blame trump but the truth is that Schumer and McConnell came to an agreement that was 750 billion with backstops against the money being a slush fund. Then pelosi stepped in and made it 3 times larger and took those backstops out. If you want to complain about this spending bill being a slushfund the blame can be laid solely at the feet of Pelosi and democratic leadership in the house. All I expect from you is to call a spade a spade but you always defer and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the democratic leadership is largely responsible for the things you want to blame trump for.
If you can point out where I've blamed Trump and/or Congress for spending too much money on the stimulus bill, I'll plead guilty as charged.
"But IMHO there is a big difference between Trump greasing the palms of his fat-cat friends and fast-tracking money to families who have kids to feed, bills to pay, and no income coming in."
What is this, other than placing the blame for a spending bill that Congress wrote at the feet of trump?
You do remember that this spending bill that Congress wrote was signed by Trump in 2017 when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, right?
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Does this one work for you for continuing to ask the question why we don't have a nationwide shutdown?
Let me guess: even though Americans can freely pass the virus across state lines, this is clearly a STATES RIGHTS issue! It's not the federal government's place to make this call, right guys?
Looks like another 'Nevermind' that the Right can ignore during this crisis.
Trump wanted to shut down the Tri-State area. Cuomo said FUKC YOU it’s illegal!
Does this one work for you for continuing to ask the question why we don't have a nationwide shutdown?
Let me guess: even though Americans can freely pass the virus across state lines, this is clearly a STATES RIGHTS issue! It's not the federal government's place to make this call, right guys?
Looks like another 'Nevermind' that the Right can ignore during this crisis.
Next topic......
Want to bet he couldn't announce a national shut down and have it accepted by the states?
Legally he can't and it would be ridiculous to do so. Do you really want martial law in this country?
Ridiculous to do so??? WTF? How exactly do you think this damn virus is being spread?
Any President -- particularly a Republican President -- should be able to speak with each and every Governor and say, "We need all 50 states to shut down if we hope to curtail this virus in the shortest amount of time. If you don't shut down your state, you're going to be ridiculed by the rest of the nation because everybody else is on board."
There might be some yahoo Governor from one of the Southern states who might have stood up to President Obama. But no one, certainly not a Democrat Governor, is going to argue this issue.
Trump won't need to declare martial law if all of the Governors act responsibly about this. But it requires real leadership from the White House.
Not sure if you're backtracking here or what. He has 2 options: mandate a nationwide quarantine which means he is declaring martial law, or he can ask/suggest governors to asses the situation and do it themselves. He's been in contact with every governor over this and they are doing what is appropriate for their own states. Do you really think the best option of the 2 is to mobilize the army and have them patrolling streets looking for "lawbreakers" that leave their houses?
Trump has probably talked to every single governor in the past few weeks. They are all doing what they feel is best for their state
Cuomo did, but clearly based on shuksters logic Trump was better equipped to deal with the issue because New York is a shitshow right now. Of course, when trump suggested closing New York down, Cuomo resisted and said it was unfair.
FIFY
He even threatened to sue Rhode Island for wanting to send new arrivals from NY back.
So... does that mean that Cuomo isn’t all in on stopping travel? Put 2 and 2 together.
Shookster??
A political battle between Rhode Island and New York's top leaders over new coronavirus precautions ended this weekend after Gov. Gina Raimondo changed her executive order that mandated New Yorkers who traveled to her state be quarantined, regardless of symptoms.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo threatened lawsuits against Raimondo's March 27 order, which issued fines and other penalties for New Yorkers that violated the rule. Rhode Island officers and state troopers were out flagging cars with New York plates at the state borderduring the earlier part of the weekend, which prompted Cuomo to call his fellow Democrat Raimondo on Saturday.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo threatened lawsuits against Raimondo's March 27 order, which issued fines and other penalties for New Yorkers that violated the rule. Rhode Island officers and state troopers were out flagging cars with New York plates at the state borderduring the earlier part of the weekend, which prompted Cuomo to call his fellow Democrat Raimondo on Saturday.
The common sense thing to do would be for our POTUS to work with the Governors and jointly issue a national shut down.
If you want to argue otherwise, fine. But it's hands down the best way to cut our infections rate -- and subsequent deaths -- moving forward.
For you "Go, Go, Economy!" guys, the faster we dramatically cut our nationwide infection rate, the quicker the economy starts rolling again.
And who’s the one that said half-ass lockdowns don’t work as the economy is still spiraling down and Coronavirus is spreading? Me. So the economy is destroyed AND lockdowns have been suboptimal
1). Can it be enforced? It hasn’t been
2) Will it work? See # 1
3) How long will it be needed for? See # 1 and # 2
Remember that post 1 week ago?
Tic-Toc-Tic -Toc-Tic-Toc....
Today the major of NYC closed playgrounds
What we're currently doing is a "half-ass lockdown" (i.e. voluntary, you know, stay home if you feel like it.)
I want a national shut down. As I've laid out here (which you've deliberately chosen to ignore), there's a number of ways an effective leader could make it happen.
They are shutting down Florida. A lot of people won't abide by it. Can't be enforced.
As usual, DeSantis is 'a day late and a dollar short.' This should have been done before Spring Break.
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