Us embassy in iraq

[UCFWayne]

i ultimately want out of that region. maintain some bases but try to say out of things politically as best we can. i know this will never actually happen. both dems/reps love the industrial war machine too much and the war is meant to be endless.

that said i actually liked trumps response. we got to see in real time his response to the embassy hostility and on top of that an over the top show of absolute force. i just hope it doesnt lead to an actual war with iran.

 

[Cubs79]

I did. It was an oversimplification for an American presence in the Holy Kingdom. He wanted to defend the country and region with the Arab Legion or whatever, but the royal family went with an American presence. His religious zeal and lunacy and not wanting foreigners near the Holy land and cities are one in the same.

Yes, he made it more than clear his big issue with America was our presence in his land, but somehow that got spun into "they hate us for our freedoms".

 

[sk8knight]

Yes, he made it more than clear his big issue with America was our presence in his land, but somehow that got spun into "they hate us for our freedoms".

So, you think that Iran would stop supporting terrorism if we just withdrew all American presence in the Middle East then? Including abandoning all support for Israel and leaving them to their fate?

 

[Ace of Knights]

So, you think that Iran would stop supporting terrorism if we just withdrew all American presence in the Middle East then? Including abandoning all support for Israel and leaving them to their fate?

Against Saudi Arabia and it’s Sunni allies, of course not.

We’ll never pull out because we have too many interests over there and I don’t want us too.

But hypothetically speaking, no support for Israel or Saudi Arabia, no meddling in Iranian affairs including nuclear ambitions or human rights, no meddling in Iraq, and given time to show we are no longer in the region... I’m not sure they would attack us. What would they gain from it?

 

[firm_bizzle]

i ultimately want out of that region. maintain some bases but try to say out of things politically as best we can. i know this will never actually happen. both dems/reps love the industrial war machine too much and the war is meant to be endless.

that said i actually liked trumps response. we got to see in real time his response to the embassy hostility and on top of that an over the top show of absolute force. i just hope it doesnt lead to an actual war with iran.

If we don't go in there and make big changes we'll never get out of the region. We are already at war with Iran, most of you just don't know it yet.

 

[Cubs79]

So, you think that Iran would stop supporting terrorism if we just withdrew all American presence in the Middle East then? Including abandoning all support for Israel and leaving them to their fate?

I don't think they would stop all terrorism no, but a reduction in it? Who knows, maybe. But the flipside of that, is do you think killing this man is going to stop their support of terrorism?

 

[sk8knight]

Against Saudi Arabia and it’s Sunni allies, of course not.

We’ll never pull out because we have too many interests over there and I don’t want us too.

But hypothetically speaking, no support for Israel or Saudi Arabia, no meddling in Iranian affairs including nuclear ambitions or human rights, no meddling in Iraq, and given time to show we are no longer in the region... I’m not sure they would attack us. What would they gain from it?

I agree that it will never happen.

It would be interesting though. Here’s what I think would happen. They have an entire history of uniting against a common enemy. Many of their leadership derive their power from that. Take away the common enemy and they will fight each other. So a smart leader will find a common enemy to unite the people whether that enemy does anything or not. What would be more uniting than picking the biggest enemy out there, convincing your people that they are evil and oppressing then and attacking them is the only way to prevail? Stir up the rage and focus it on that enemy. As long as the people are angry and focused externally, they are easy to control. More than that, they’ll willingly sacrifice everything to the cause. As they have for generations. So, while the country doesn’t have anything to gain, the people that control the handles of power do.

 

[Crazyhole]

If we don't go in there and make big changes we'll never get out of the region. We are already at war with Iran, most of you just don't know it yet.

If we pull out now we will create a power vacuum and Iran will move into that vacuum. That's why ousting Saddam was a bad idea.

 

[UCFWayne]

If we don't go in there and make big changes we'll never get out of the region. We are already at war with Iran, most of you just don't know it yet.

i think if we had made an effort to show we were pulling mostly out of the region but only maintaining a small presence with our military bases and not trying to constantly undermine all the various regimes over time it would have deescalated things.

of course that is all out the window now.

 

[fried-chicken]

Is this a trick question? Yes.

Enjoy nuclear winter then I guess. Global warming solved.

 

[sk8knight]

I don't think they would stop all terrorism no, but a reduction in it? Who knows, maybe. But the flipside of that, is do you think killing this man is going to stop their support of terrorism?

I don't think they would stop all terrorism no, but a reduction in it? Who knows, maybe. But the flipside of that, is do you think killing this man is going to stop their support of terrorism?

No, but it shows that they cannot attack us without their being some response. Meet strength with strength; something they actually respect. Do you think that we’re going to get them to stop by begging them to stop and giving them money? By showing them our “better” way of life?

 

[sk8knight]

i think if we had made an effort to show we were pulling mostly out of the region but only maintaining a small presence with our military bases and not trying to constantly undermine all the various regimes over time it would have deescalated things.

of course that is all out the window now.

As long as we provide 1 dollar of aid to Israel, getting rid of all the rest doesn’t matter. They will use that as an excuse to make us an enemy.

 

[Ace of Knights]

I agree that it will never happen.

It would be interesting though. Here’s what I think would happen. They have an entire history of uniting against a common enemy. Many of their leadership derive their power from that. Take away the common enemy and they will fight each other. So a smart leader will find a common enemy to unite the people whether that enemy does anything or not. What would be more uniting than picking the biggest enemy out there, convincing your people that they are evil and oppressing then and attacking them is the only way to prevail? Stir up the rage and focus it on that enemy. As long as the people are angry and focused externally, they are easy to control. More than that, they’ll willingly sacrifice everything to the cause. As they have for generations. So, while the country doesn’t have anything to gain, the people that control the handles of power do.

I just don’t think that hate would last. Khameini is old and probably dies within the decade. Their are large pockets of a younger generation in Iran is already questioning the anti-western doctrine, hardliners ways, and they’re tired of always being sanctioned.

If we were to pull out of everything, I think given short attention spans and proof we weren’t over there, a lot would start questioning why we are public enemy #1.

 

[UCFWayne]

As long as we provide 1 dollar of aid to Israel, getting rid of all the rest doesn’t matter. They will use that as an excuse to make us an enemy.

they amount this country is in debt, we really should cut back on the aid we give to every country.

 

[Cubs79]

No, but it shows that they cannot attack us without their being some response. Meet strength with strength; something they actually respect. Do you think that we’re going to get them to stop by begging them to stop and giving them money? By showing them our “better” way of life?

I mean, the Iran deal was working by all accounts, we were the ones who pulled out. Now obviously that doesn't mean it was perfect or would have worked forever, but we didn't really give it a try. Republicans seem to have this attitude that nothing can be done with Iran, and have been beating the war drums with them for years, and it appears maybe they will finally get their wish.

 

[Cubs79]

I just don’t think that hate would last. Khameini is old and probably dies within the decade. Their are large pockets of a younger generation in Iran is already questioning the anti-western doctrine, hardliners ways, and they’re tired of always being sanctioned.

If we were to pull out of everything, I think given short attention spans and proof we weren’t over there, a lot would start questioning why we are public enemy #1.

Yep, the younger people in Iran tend to like Western culture and have had numerous protests against their own government. But of course that will likely change pretty quick if this escalates into something major.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Enjoy nuclear winter then I guess. Global warming solved.

He doesn't have the balls.

 

[Crazyhole]

I just don’t think that hate would last. Khameini is old and probably dies within the decade. Their are large pockets of a younger generation in Iran is already questioning the anti-western doctrine, hardliners ways, and they’re tired of always being sanctioned.

If we were to pull out of everything, I think given short attention spans and proof we weren’t over there, a lot would start questioning why we are public enemy #1.

My biggest concern with Iran having a popular revolution that leads to a secular government is who takes their place as the active religious country. Saudi arabia may see that as an opportunity to flex their muscles if Iran isn't there to oppose them. Maybe it wouldn't happen, but the religious zealots in that region want to dominate their neighbors. Without Iran as an ally, what happens to Syria?

 

[firm_bizzle]

i think if we had made an effort to show we were pulling mostly out of the region but only maintaining a small presence with our military bases and not trying to constantly undermine all the various regimes over time it would have deescalated things.

of course that is all out the window now.

We've been messing around with these clowns for 40 years. Put them out of their misery.

 

[firm_bizzle]

My biggest concern with Iran having a popular revolution that leads to a secular government is who takes their place as the active religious country. Saudi arabia may see that as an opportunity to flex their muscles if Iran isn't there to oppose them. Maybe it wouldn't happen, but the religious zealots in that region want to dominate their neighbors. Without Iran as an ally, what happens to Syria?

All of these countries are made up anyway. We just need to make up another country called Muslandia. Let them pray to Allah all they want without weapons.

 

[sk8knight]

I just don’t think that hate would last. Khameini is old and probably dies within the decade. Their are large pockets of a younger generation in Iran is already questioning the anti-western doctrine, hardliners ways, and they’re tired of always being sanctioned.

If we were to pull out of everything, I think given short attention spans and proof we weren’t over there, a lot would start questioning why we are public enemy #1.

I hope you’re right.

 

[sk8knight]

Yep, the younger people in Iran tend to like Western culture and have had numerous protests against their own government. But of course that will likely change pretty quick if this escalates into something major.

Iran had been more in tune with the West before and yet here they are with the current Islamic theocracy.

 

[Cubs79]

Iran had been more in tune with the West before and yet here they are with the current Islamic theocracy.

Yes, and the US and West has interfered in Iran's affairs often in the past which has certainly also helped shape Iran. That cannot be discounted.

But let me just ask, what is the end game with Iran in your view? It seems you, and others, don't think any sort of diplomacy is an option, so is it war or bust in your view? And if you think war is needed then what is the end game of that? Regime change?

 

[DaShuckster]

Trump has kicked over a hornet's nest with no clue what to do next with Iran other than to wait and see how they retaliate. You can bet that our allies are going to be very careful about stepping in to help the U.S. if this escalates into a full-fledged war.

Somebody remind me, what are we doing there again? Weren't you all for sending our troops home? Hey, I guess this is one way to put impeachment on Page 2.

 

[firm_bizzle]

You done mess up now I-I-Ran!

 

[firm_bizzle]

Iran had been more in tune with the West before and yet here they are with the current Islamic theocracy.

We just need to get them back to western culture. They love it.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Trump has kicked over a hornet's nest with no clue what to do next with Iran other than to wait and see how they retaliate. You can bet that our allies are going to be very careful about stepping in to help the U.S. if this escalates into a full-fledged war.

Somebody remind me, what are we doing there again? Weren't you all for sending our troops home? Hey, I guess this is one way to put impeachment on Page 2.

Only a TDS obsessive total lunatic would argue that we have no right to take action to defend our own citizens abroad and our fuking Embassy.

Like, how mindlessly obsessed with hating the President do you have to be to argue that we should leave our Embassy personnel and troops to take rocket attacks and mob attacks without any retaliation?

Iran commits acts of war against our troops and contractors, an act of war against our Embassy, and here you are blaming Trump. Color me SHOCKED.

 

[anon_ki59ERik4csguoSd]

If you want to see yet another unpatriotic, crazed left wing response, here you have it.

The Quds Force is a terrorist wing of the Iranian regime who has killed more Americans than ISIS could have ever dreamed of, up to and including last week, yet here is Trel MK taking up sides with the Iranians to make this yet another pathetic Trump partisan pissing match.

These guys are inside Iraq actively targeting our troops and contractors and yet here you are, mindlessly bitching about Trump.

You're pathetic.

Talk about crazed responses.

 

[fried-chicken]

85 is in a perpetual state of rage.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Hey look it seems actual Iraqis didn’t like a foreign terrorist leader operating in their country either

 

[firm_bizzle]

Tune in tonight while Trump spikes the football.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Talk about crazed responses.

I guess seeing people shill for a guy who just killed Americans all because they hate Trump so much is troubling.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Hey look it seems actual Iraqis didn’t like a foreign terrorist leader operating in their country either

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We will be greeted as liberators when we get to Tehran, believe me.

 

[Cubs79]

I guess seeing people shill for a guy who just killed Americans all because they hate Trump so much is troubling.

Nobody is shilling for the guy, that is such a disingenuous take.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I guess seeing people shill for a guy who just killed Americans all because they hate Trump so much is troubling.

They have TDS, wish that they had tiddies

 

[Crazyhole]

Hey look it seems actual Iraqis didn’t like a foreign terrorist leader operating in their country either

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He's not a popular figure in Iran. I don't care where a person lives or what their religion is, few people like a guy who instigates terrorist action or the military response it brings. I'm sure the Ayatollah loved him, but he as well isn't very popular anymore.

 

[UCFKnight85]

We will be greeted as liberators when we get to Tehran, believe me.

We aren't going to Tehran. We simply don't tolerate terrorists operating outside of Iran and killing our citizens who are legally performing work in a given country, or having our Embassy attacked.

Pretty simple really.

 

[Crazyhole]

Enjoy nuclear winter then I guess. Global warming solved.

Lol at the nuclear winter myth.

 

[firm_bizzle]

We aren't going to Tehran. We simply don't tolerate terrorists operating outside of Iran and killing our citizens who are legally performing work in a given country, or having our Embassy attacked.

Pretty simple really.

That's not gonna work. You have to go to Tehran and put a new gov't in. That's why people don't respect Trump because he doesn't have the stomach to fight.

 

[NinjaKnight]

That's not gonna work. You have to go to Tehran and put a new gov't in. That's why people don't respect Trump because he doesn't the stomach to fight.

Agreed. Plus we have a great track record, 50 years ago the last time we changed the govt in Tehran it worked out great!