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"What was he doing wrong?"

I didnt say good ole white boys, you are adding words to what I said to fit your narrative. I litterally posted a short 16 word (with some of those words being A and THE) that you have now concocted this entire narrative around. But, we do have actual facts to look at. The facts are the police dont respond in nearly the same way to armed white men in fatigues storming state capitals and actually shutting down sessions as they do when the protests are against them. And BTW, a lot of these protesters are white, so this isnt a police versus black people narrative that you seem to be implying.

So, you are demanding that police restrain themselves better when engaging people in the public, but you wanted them to go in and mow down protestors who were legally carrying firearms during a lawful and approved public assembly?

Do you hear how insane this sounds?
 
I suggest you look at more of these videos coming out. The police have certainly instigated this in some areas. Hell, 2 Atlanta officers were fired yesterday because the footage from their body cam clearly shows they were out of line. There is a video of the cops shooting a girl with rubber bullets litterally standing on her own porch in Minneapolis. They litterally attacked her on her own property, doing absolutely nothing to them.

I've seen those. Some are abhorrent, some are clearly edited to fit a narrative.

So yes, there appears to be a very, very tiny number of instigators that may or may not be police. On the other hand, there is video of thousands of people burning buildings and beating people to a pulp that had nothing to do with any rogue instigating cop.
 
Hmm. No one died,
I know this isnt how you meant it but, exactly. No one died. They were protesting haircuts and fishing.

Is it surprising that protests over the latest murder in a string of murders would have a more violent response than haircuts?

Is it surprising that cops who just stand there and do nothing against white protests would find the situation not escalated as much as when cops are doing drive by mace spraydowns and driving cop cars through crowds?

Youre so concerned with downplaying this issue that you havent even made a post acknowledging the racial issues involved. You think it was "manslaughter" but you wont go as far as to call it racially motivated.

Keep posting about the stolen TVs though, thats the real crime here. Maybe these protesters should do community service like you though was a solution for Kap.
 
So, you are demanding that police restrain themselves better when engaging people in the public, but you wanted them to go in and mow down protestors who were legally carrying firearms during a lawful and approved public assembly?

Do you hear how insane this sounds?

Yes, that does sound insane which is why I never remotely said I wanted police to "mow down protestors".
 
I've seen those. Some are abhorrent, some are clearly edited to fit a narrative.

So yes, there appears to be a very, very tiny number of instigators that may or may not be police. On the other hand, there is video of thousands of people burning buildings and beating people to a pulp that had nothing to do with any rogue instigating cop.

I dont think number is as tiny as you make it out to be.
 
I dont think number is as tiny as you make it out to be.

I’m sure they are out there in the same numbers as those white supremacists and Russians whom I was assured is behind all of the violence.
 
Yes, that does sound insane which is why I never remotely said I wanted police to "mow down protestors".
In his mind you wanted republicans killed. Its insane but since thats how his brain works he thinks thats how everyone else also thinks.

85 is unhinged. Hes quite litterally the last person i know who should have access to firearms. His brain is cooked.
 
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I didnt say good ole white boys, you are adding words to what I said to fit your narrative. I litterally posted a short 16 word (with some of those words being A and THE) that you have now concocted this entire narrative around. But, we do have actual facts to look at. The facts are the police dont respond in nearly the same way to armed white men in fatigues storming state capitals and actually shutting down sessions as they do when the protests are against them. And BTW, a lot of these protesters are white, so this isnt a police versus black people narrative that you seem to be implying.
It is amazing how semantic you get when your own meanings are called out. So let's do that. You say "storming state capitals." Storming is what happened to the police station in MN before it was burnt to the ground. Storming is used to describe military offensive actions. It has a violent connotation. None of those protests were violent, though, so you are mis-characterizing the event for your own narrative.

You're being disingenuous trying to say that you weren't intentionally comparing a protest for an issue that white people care about to an issue that is protesting a police interaction against a black person gone horribly wrong. Tell us then, if it wasn't to imply that the responses were different because of institutional racism, then why did you decide to compare the two?
 
I’m sure they are out there in the same numbers as those white supremacists and Russians whom I was assured is behind all of the violence.
Dude, there have been loads of videos that clearly show cops being aggressive. It isnt all cops, but it isnt just a tiny few either. I dont know what else to tell ya.
 
Dude, there have been loads of videos that clearly show cops being aggressive. It isnt all cops, but it isnt just a tiny few either. I dont know what else to tell ya.
And most of those are edited to omit anything other than the cop being aggressive. Do you think that there are valid situations where cops can be aggressive?
 
And most of those are edited to omit anything other than the cop being aggressive. Do you think that there are valid situations where cops can be aggressive?

Of course there are valid times when cops can be aggressive. Now let me ask you the reverse. Do you think there are times that cops are overly aggressive?
 
It is amazing how semantic you get when your own meanings are called out. So let's do that. You say "storming state capitals." Storming is what happened to the police station in MN before it was burnt to the ground. Storming is used to describe military offensive actions. It has a violent connotation. None of those protests were violent, though, so you are mis-characterizing the event for your own narrative.

You're being disingenuous trying to say that you weren't intentionally comparing a protest for an issue that white people care about to an issue that is protesting a police interaction against a black person gone horribly wrong. Tell us then, if it wasn't to imply that the responses were different because of institutional racism, then why did you decide to compare the two?

It isnt semantics, you litterally implied I said something I didnt. Then a few posts later 85 implies that I want cops to "mow down protestors" at the capital. You jumped into the conversation where I was responding to 85 and started saying I was talking about "good ole white boys", and 85 says I want the police to "mow down the protestors". Do I think the response clearly has a racist response to it? Yes, and if you dont it's because you choose not to because it is obvious. My problem with your response is you immediately jump into the defensive " not everything is racist" mode, in response to a post where I didnt even bring up racism, without even bothering to have a conversation.
 
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In his mind you wanted republicans killed. Its insane but since thats how his brain works he thinks thats how everyone else also thinks.

85 is unhinged. Hes quite litterally the last person i know who should have access to firearms. His brain is cooked.

Yeah, that was one of his more bizarre responses, which is saying something.
 
When you go out and say that riot police didn't come out for the white good ole boys but they came out for the protests for the black people, you're implying institutional racism.
I'm the poster who said, 'good ole boys' and yes, I am implying institutional racism.

When we saw the news reports of those jokers showing up at the statehouse with their AR-15 rifles, I turned to my wife and said, "No policemen in riot gear? Gee I wonder if that would have been the case if those guys at the statehouse sporting AR-15 rifles were Black and wearing 'street' clothing?"

If you think the institutional response would have been the same, you're delusional.
 
I'm the poster who said, 'good ole boys' and yes, I am implying institutional racism.

When we saw the news reports of those jokers showing up at the statehouse with their AR-15 rifles, I turned to my wife and said, "No policemen in riot gear? Gee I wonder if that would have been the case if those guys at the statehouse sporting AR-15 rifles were Black and wearing 'street' clothing?"

If you think the institutional response would have been the same, you're delusional.

Being a white oppressor yourself, what are you doing to fix the problem?
 
It isnt semantics, you litterally implied I said something I didnt. Then a few posts later 85 implies that I want cops to "mow down protestors" at the capital. You jumped into the conversation where I was responding to 85 and started saying I was talking about "good ole white boys", and 85 says I want the police to "mow down the protestors". Do I think the response clearly has a racist response to it? Yes, and if you dont it's because you choose not to because it is obvious. My problem with your response is you immediately jump into the defensive " not everything is racist" mode, in response to a post where I didnt even bring up racism, without even bothering to have a conversation.
So then enlighten me, why did you decide to compare the two events? What was your intention there?
 
Dude, there have been loads of videos that clearly show cops being aggressive. It isnt all cops, but it isnt just a tiny few either. I dont know what else to tell ya.

Just as a heads up, you are "debating" someone who has gone on the record as saying donald trump doesn't lie, it's all the media twisting his words.

You can't debate with this level of stupidity. These people live in their own little world separate from the rest of our reality. You can't use actual facts to change the mind of someone who rejects reality.
 
I'm the poster who said, 'good ole boys' and yes, I am implying institutional racism.

When we saw the news reports of those jokers showing up at the statehouse with their AR-15 rifles, I turned to my wife and said, "No policemen in riot gear? Gee I wonder if that would have been the case if those guys at the statehouse sporting AR-15 rifles were Black and wearing 'street' clothing?"

If you think the institutional response would have been the same, you're delusional.
I'm not saying the response would've been the same, it most likely wouldn't. I'm saying that the police in cities largely know who is going to be at a protest and know the history of their actions. Given that, there are far more reasons for responses to be different than racism.
 
If these protests (riots) are actually about anger over institutional racism, why does it look like so many of these people are showing such glee when they smash windows in and steal stuff?

This isnt about race, this is about class warfare and its reminiscent of the French revolution. Guillotines and all.
 
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He wants to be Putin so bad, screaming at Governors advocating for a Police State

Yeah. At least he'd have a tough row to hoe to convert this to a police state. He'd have to get legislation passed that makes it legal to conduct intelligence operations on Americans on our own soil, then he'd have to construct a secret court to get past the due process concerns, then he'd have to engage the domestic and foreign intelligence agencies to conduct operations on Americans domestic and abroad, and then put trusted people in the right places and seed the judiciary to make sure that no one ever pays the price for abusing the system. There's no way any President or even combination of President's such as W, Obama, and Trump could ever put this into place so we should be safe.
 
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If these protests (riots) are actually about anger over institutional racism, why does it look like so many of these people are showing such glee when they smash windows in and steal stuff?

This isnt about race, this is about class warfare and its reminiscent of the French revolution. Guillotines and all.
Bingo. Also in before someone states that class warfare is race-based.
 
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I'm not saying the response would've been the same, it most likely wouldn't. I'm saying that the police in cities largely know who is going to be at a protest and know the history of their actions. Given that, there are far more reasons for responses to be different than racism.
Ah, so there were far more reasons for the tough response than racism? Ooooookay, believe what you want to believe. :rolleyes:

I'm thinking AR-15-wielding protesters inside a statehouse is kind of a worrisome thing, don'tcha think? Yet Michigan authorities didn't bat an eye and nothing happened. You know what? If officers in riot gear HAD shown up, do you think those 'good ole boys' with their guns would have been happy about the Big Bad Government showing up? Might that have changed the mood of the protesters and the protest's outcome?

Here's a thought: If we go looking for trouble, we're likely to find it.
 
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Black rioters stole a black homeless man's possessions and burned the mattress that he sleeps on. Black and white rioters have burned and looted multiple black owned businesses.

Yeah, this is totally about race. They aren't doing anything more than trying to create chaos so that there can be a more widespread revolution. People like shuckster who retired early and live in a private community support what is going on but have no idea that they are exactly the kind of people that are the ultimate target.
 
Look at these lefties - they see rioters beating people to a pulp on the streets and instead of just condemning it like any fuking sane person would, they immediately pivot to bitching and whining about a past protest that involved legally carried firearms.

It's so telling. "But muh evil white peoplez with gunz are the real problem here!"
 
If these protests (riots) are actually about anger over institutional racism, why does it look like so many of these people are showing such glee when they smash windows in and steal stuff?

This isnt about race, this is about class warfare and its reminiscent of the French revolution. Guillotines and all.
Stealing a cheesecake from cheesecake factory is not the same as cutting peoples heads off. Hope this clears up the confusion.
 
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Black rioters stole a black homeless man's possessions and burned the mattress that he sleeps on. Black and white rioters have burned and looted multiple black owned businesses.

Yeah, this is totally about race. They aren't doing anything more than trying to create chaos so that there can be a more widespread revolution. People like shuckster who retired early and live in a private community support what is going on but have no idea that they are exactly the kind of people that are the ultimate target.

Unless you are talking about a different situation than what I have seen, the vast majority of the people burning the homeless mans stuff looked white to me. The homeless man looked white too.
 
Unless you are talking about a different situation than what I have seen, the vast majority of the people burning the homeless mans stuff looked white to me. The homeless man looked white too.
if u are talking about the incident in Austin that was InfoWars chuds so anything they report shouldn’t be trusted
 
Unless you are talking about a different situation than what I have seen, the vast majority of the people burning the homeless mans stuff looked white to me. The homeless man looked white too.
Crap, I posted that wrong. Yes, it was white rioters and a white homeless guy.
 
Stealing a cheesecake from cheesecake factory is not the same as cutting peoples heads off. Hope this clears up the confusion.

Imagine being so disingenuous that you use the cheesecake theft as the main example of what's going on.
 
Tweet=George Floyd died of asphyxia, finds autopsy ordered by family of black man whose death in Minneapolis sparked riots
This must be bullshit because @sk8knight posted a link to the City Medical Examiner's report which emphatically stated there was NO physical evidence to support asphyxiation. (So no second-degree murder)

However, I thought at the time that it seemed awfully fishy that there wasn't any physical evidence despite the fact that the cop had his knee pressed down on Floyd's throat for over ten minutes.
 
This must be bullshit because @sk8knight posted a link to the City Medical Examiner's report which emphatically stated there was NO physical evidence to support asphyxiation. (So no second-degree murder)

However, I thought at the time that it seemed awfully fishy that there wasn't any physical evidence despite the fact that the cop had his knee pressed down on Floyd's throat for over ten minutes.
I have no problem revising my opinion based on new evidence. I’d like to see how each reached their conclusions but Baden is an expert so should get some respect. With directly conflicting reports, how do we get to the truth? Also, it’ll be interesting how this effects proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, which is still the law in this country.
 
With directly conflicting reports, how do we get to the truth?
Oh I dunno, maybe a third report from an unbiased third party?
it’ll be interesting how this effects proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, which is still the law in this country.
Yes it it the law of the land. The jury will see the same incriminating video evidence that half the world has already seen.
 
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