Pretty much. If either he or the lady this morning would have said the COD in that situation would be "unknown", this would be a different ballgame. With how quickly they were both able to give alternative COD basically killed the prosecutions case for murder.
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Probably not. 2 overdoses in 2 months doesn't give me much confidence that he would have made it another year. His addictions were killing him.
Just curious, was Friday's testimony by the Chief Medical Examiner that he still classifies George Floyd's death as a homicide another example of it?
When they decided that well over fatal doses of fentanyl magically had absolutely no effect on physiology.
I’ve been saying the same thing since Nancy Graces rampage against Casey Anthony. Got to let the facts come out at trial and then it’s up to the jury. Media likes to convict on allegation.The MSM is intentionally misrepresenting the testimony in this trial. The linked article below is just one small example. At what point do we hold the media accountable for violence that they intentionally incite by misrepresenting the truth?
Derek Chauvin Trial – Prosecution Problems Ignored or Misrepresented In Mainstream Media
(Open Thread) There are very significant prosecution evidentiary problems ignored or misrepresented in the mainstream media. which will lead to an even larger explosion of violence if there is a not guilty verdict.
So I'm guessing that means the answer to my question about the MSM reporting that the medical examiner still classifies Floyd's death as a homicide is... (cue drumroll)
Yeah. The problem is that there’s been a concerted effort to erode the trust people have in the system we have that figures all this stuff out. Some of it is justified but much of it is not. Either way, we’re far closer to people creating their own justice than trusting in our society’s system than we have been in decades.
Officer Chauvin is still in deep doo-doo because 'assisted suicide' is a crime in Minnesota.
I know. Such crap....Officer Chauvin is still in deep doo-doo because 'assisted suicide' is a crime in Minnesota.
So is selling your customer drugs that he ODs on but we don’t see the dealer getting rung up for murder.Officer Chauvin is still in deep doo-doo because 'assisted suicide' is a crime in Minnesota.
I guess an officer's knee on Floyd's neck while he's begging to breathe has a way of drawing attention.
I think he was being honest. Chronic opioid users develop hyperalgesia. That's why they keep upping the dose. In hindsight, I can see a possibility that everything he was saying was true with the exception of him being claustrophobic.
not like you're going to give me a straight answer, but do you think that if George Floyd had been completely sober he still would've died? A yes or no would suffice
I can see that possibility as well. But it changes nothing. The defense is going to present the case that they did everything they were supposed to do under the totality of the circumstances. Between not knowing what the drugs were in his system to the active resistance to the threats from the crowd, there was a lot for them to unpack on the scene. The prosecution that should have a definite and unwavering theory of the crime has even been searching for something to stick throughout the testimony. That’s a crystal clear sign that there’s doubt as to what and who caused Floyd’s death even among professionals that do this every day for a living.
I know it doesn't change anything, I'm just trying to make sense of the things he said and have it be consistent with how he died. The prosecution has pretty much already shot their wad, and it wasn't terribly effective other than Tobin.
Michael Baden is going to come on and authoritatively state that you don’t even need the autopsy, everyone in the world saw Chauvin kill him. He’s a rock star in the business and he’s going to throw out some bullshit that will stick in the jurors’ minds. That’s the defense’s biggest challenge.
This is why he should have to testify and actually take the 5th.
Agreed. I know the judge doesn't want it to become a spectacle but allowing him to just not testify is wrong.
You MIGHT want to ask that question to our Chauvin Channel reporters who've been talking about it so much.
If you had been watching the trial, you would know that both the defense and the prosecution had intended to call him as a witness. The prosecution now doesn't want him to be called. The judge is trying to determine which questions either side can ask him so that it doesn't become a spectacle of the guy just pleading the 5th non-stop. He has signaled that he's open to some questions, and that if Morries doesn't answer he will hold him in contempt.
Untrue.... it’s only important to put a black man on the stand and make him appear guilty by pleading the 5th*
What is really stupid is that 5 people may go to prison for the death of a guy that was a career criminal and a habitual drug user, who committed numerous crimes on the day he died.
Guilty as charged. I haven't been glued to the TV like you and sk8. I've relied on you for your daily trial reports for my Chauvin trial updates.
I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me the questions you want answered are all questions where he'll plead the Fifth. So 'the spectacle' is a given.
do you talk to your wife about your message board drama? serious questionGuilty as charged. I haven't been glued to the TV like you and sk8. I've relied on you for your daily trial reports for my Chauvin trial updates.
I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me the questions you want answered are all questions where he'll plead the Fifth. So 'the spectacle' is a given.
And I'm no judge but the trial judge can't hold a witness in contempt for refusing to answer questions that could incriminate him. Pleading the fifth is his right.
The response in some quarters to the rallying cry, "Black Lives Matter" is to counter with the phrase, "All Lives Matter."
Which is why he asked both sides to submit their questions to him ahead of time, so he can determine whether they would be self-incriminating or not. It makes sense, but at the same time if Hall were asked about how many pills Floyd took in the last few minutes prior to his arrest, it could paint a clearer picture for the jury. This is where allowing the 5th for Hall might actually infringe on Chauvins 6th amendment rights. Agreed?Guilty as charged. I haven't been glued to the TV like you and sk8. I've relied on you for your daily trial reports for my Chauvin trial updates.
I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me the questions you want answered are all questions where he'll plead the Fifth. So 'the spectacle' is a given.
And I'm no judge but the trial judge can't hold a witness in contempt for refusing to answer questions that could incriminate him. Pleading the fifth is his right.
How do you not get this? 1 guy can go to prison for selling Floyd drugs that killed him. 2 cops can go to prison for responding to a call where Floyd committed a crime. 1 guy can go to prison for controlling a mob, and 1 guy can go to prison for responding to a call for backup because Floyd was resisting arrest and was out of control. The only thing left out of this equation is personal responsibility on the part of Floyd for making the decisions that led to the whole situation. 5 people could go to prison because of the circumstances that Floyd willingly created.
The thing is that we’d all have more confidence in the justice of it all if the videos and information going to the public and submitted by the prosecution weren’t so heavily edited. Most people have no idea what happened before the one video or what happened after or even when medical was called or that the crowd was so hostile that the ambulance had to move 3 blocks away to be able to work on Floyd.
I've got this gut feeling that you'd have had absolute confidence in "the justice of it all" if a bystander cellphone video of the incident hadn't surfaced.
Would it have been as big of a story if the guy that died under those circumstances was white?
