That's exactly what the big American Unions have been saying for the last 30 years.
As I've said repeatedly here now, Conservatives have done a 180 since Donald Trump has been singing the praises of 'protective' tariffs instead of the AFL-CIO.
China Trade War
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As I've said repeatedly here now, Conservatives have done a 180 since Donald Trump has been singing the praises of 'protective' tariffs instead of the AFL-CIO.
Your attempt to make this a "The Unions told you so!" one sided matter is pretty pathetic. Every single economist, industry group, and/or CEO of any company that does business in China has been saying this for 20-30 years. The right leaning Chamber of Commerce has been attacking Chinese trade policies for years and years. To suggest that is was merely the super awesome unions raising the alarm bell is simply false, made up nonsense.
And every President and member of Congress has known this too. They've all agreed and they've all done absolutely nothing about it. Maybe you're just pissy since Donald Trump is the one finally enacting change in China and not your beloved Barack Obama?
I love how the best argument against the sanity of Trump is simply this tweet that he put out today.
How in the holy fuk do you people defend this dumpster fire? He doesn't sound like he's fit to manage a McDonalds.
How in the holy fuk do you people defend this dumpster fire? He doesn't sound like he's fit to manage a McDonalds.
Funny.. so what part of his first tweet doesn’t make great sense?
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So Republicans have been for tariffs for over 30 years? I could have sworn they were the party of free trade. Boy, I learn something new from you people every day.
But this breaking news of your Party's 30-year old love affair with tariffs that was evidently a secret until Trump came on the scene brings up a very awkward question:
Aren't you the ones 'all in' in on capitalism?
You do know it's not really possible to be in favor of capitalism and against free trade, right? Every great theorist of capitalism has always recognized that free trade is at the heart of what makes capitalism work.
Silly me, I always thought that tariffs are precisely the kind of...gasp, "government intervention" that produces the kind of inefficiencies and corruption that I 'thought' the GOP was adamantly against.
I'm sure our resident Capitalists and Trump tariffs lovers can explain to me how they can be both.
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$10 says 85 is only going to respond with insults when confronted with his hypocrisy.
Jesus Christ dude, I ask this honestly - can you read? Can you read, and you choose to ignore parts that aren't good for your narrative? When I read your responses it comes across as if you fundamentally cannot read because you say stuff that I never said.
I said that people recognized that China is a problem including people from all over the political spectrum. Not that conservatives were for tariffs because neither Democrats. I said, multiple times, that EVERYONE understood what China was doing but everyone was too spineless to do anything about it.
And as I said, multiple times, I'm not a tariff fan normally but China isn't normal. This is a country that made it a national communist priority to rip our country off. Therefore I'm fine with whatever measures are needed to bring them to the table and get them to knock this shit off.
If you weren't so pathetically consumed with hating Trump you'd be in the same boat as me, since it's the patriotic stance and it insists that the communists in Beijing stop stealing our future. But no, you hate Trump so you've gotta frame this with a defense of China and whining about Republicans in mind instead.
and just like that, President Trump turned every lefty wannabe socialist on this forum into a free-market loving, anti Government regulation Captialist.
you played yourself
you played yourself
Regarding the first paragraph:
It really isnt that bad of a deal. We have essentially just traded paper with ink on it for actual goods. I'm not going to advocate for welfare at all, but look at how things have worked: the treasury printed money, it ended up in the hands of people who weren't producing anything of value, and they took that money and used it to buy tangible goods that other people had to work to create. Thats a pretty good frigging deal. The issue at hand is when, and at what rate those dollars come back in exchange for goods that WE have to produce, and whether those same dollars that we printed will be worth the same as they were when we created them out of thin air. With any luck they will be worth far less than when we used them to buy stuff. With a lot of luck, they never come back, which is what has happened for about 30 years.
The funny thing about this whole situation is that there are actually people out there that think their wealth and lifestyle is commensurate with how much they produce. There isnt a single person in this country whose work doesn't give them a better life than a person in China or India that puts in the same amount of effort. We should be grateful for that, but also realize that it cant last forever.
So you're normally a Capitalist...until you're not.
Hey look- the raging moron took a lengthy response and responded only to this becuase he was owned and isn’t smart enough to rebut what I said with something competent
This is a bad overgeneralization. There are plenty of family legacy slackers in both India and China that prove this to be false. As there are in every country. Also, there is an overgeneralization that equal amount of work provides equal outcome only modified by the country’s standard, and that is not true either. In many cases it is true, but certainly not for every single person.
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I find it curious that when any of the Democrat presidential candidates talk about modern-day US monopolies and the need to protect the little guys from the unfair, predatory market practices of the 'Amazon's' of the World, we hear cries of 'Socialism' followed by a ringing endorsement of red-blooded, All-American Capitalism, baby!
So to summarize: predatory US capitalism = Good; predatory Chinese capitalism = Bad.
i want free and open markets. im not a fan of tarriffs long term. i am hopeful we only have to use them for a few months before china ultimately agrees to a new trade deal that is significantly more free than before.
Jesus Christ dude. Is this really the line of thinking you’re going with? Do you want to revise this before I again destroy you or are you really sticking with this?
I’ll give you a chance to review and understand why this is so stupid and give you a chance to amend if you want.
Who can most afford to 'play chicken'? China's leader doesn't have a reelection to campaign for next year.
I'm sure all those Red State Midwest farmers will be happy to go broke thanks to China's retaliatory tariffs while remaining staunch Trump supporters.
China is systematically stealing from us, stealing our IP that was developed with billions of dollars over generations, is robbing future generations of Americans from good paying jobs, illegally dumping commodities into our market to harm our workers, and doing all of this while running a modern day holocaust in their western regions where they have religious minorities in concentration camps.
But it's OK since a few Democrats have raised concerns about the size of Amazon, and this is exactly the same issue! Look at the moral equivalency that we've built! Trump is a meanie and Republicans are meanies!
**Liberal Logic 2019**
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But it's OK since a few Democrats have raised concerns about the size of Amazon, and this is exactly the same issue! Look at the moral equivalency that we've built! Trump is a meanie and Republicans are meanies!
**Liberal Logic 2019**
The question is: how did Amazon get to be a giant?
It was by undercutting sellers of books -- and then slowly, but surely, moving on to other businesses -- by selling below cost and assuming huge losses in order to drive their competition out of business and THEN go about the business of making money.
To imply that the growth of Big Dawg tech monopolies is just a bunch of whining about the size of some companies is either incredibly naïve or disingenuous. You don't have to be Einstein to understand that these practices have been unfair and devastating to American workers. When it's Amazon, it's apparently 'okay' but when it's China, it's evil incarnate.
Worried first about IP and you list the genocide last.China is systematically stealing from us, stealing our IP that was developed with billions of dollars over generations, is robbing future generations of Americans from good paying jobs, illegally dumping commodities into our market to harm our workers, and doing all of this while running a modern day holocaust in their western regions where they have religious minorities in concentration camps.
But it's OK since a few Democrats have raised concerns about the size of Amazon, and this is exactly the same issue! Look at the moral equivalency that we've built! Trump is a meanie and Republicans are meanies!
**Liberal Logic 2019**
This is why people think the GOP is filled with hypocrites. They scream their heads off about being anti tax....until it's their guy doing the taxing. They whine and bitch about bail outs...until its their guy bailing out farmers. They yell bloody murder about the deficit....until it's their dude jacking up a trillion dollar deficit.
So you are suggesting that a us citizen who works 40 hours a week at, lets say McDonalds, doesnt have a higher standard of living than someone in china or india that is performing the same task? I'm not talking about legacy money, I'm talking about laborers.
$831.
the Federal Reserve Bank calculated the cost of the US-China trade war for a typical household. The tab is $831 for 2019.
Https://libertystreeteconomics.newy...osts-to-us-households.html?mod=article_inline
the Federal Reserve Bank calculated the cost of the US-China trade war for a typical household. The tab is $831 for 2019.
Https://libertystreeteconomics.newy...osts-to-us-households.html?mod=article_inline
No worries. You just saved that $831 on that lower tier, second rate, $20 security system that your TDS self just bought and solicited in your other thread.
Sure, if you look at two people working for the same international company in the same job, maybe. But you didn’t categorize it that way. There are people in almost every country that started out with nothing and leveraged their knowledge, talents, skills, and lived a lifestyle that lead to wealth beyond what the majority of people in this country in similar fields enjoy. India and China included. I think we agree that there is far more upward and downward mobility here in the US.
bumping because no one seems to give a damn that Trump is causing the average househould to lose $831 a year because of his insane trade war.
Would you care about a discussion of the model Liberty Street used and the context of the data point or are you just going to attack anyone who wants to have a nuanced discussion about it as stupid racist inbred redhatters who you own in every discussion because they aren't smart enough to understand the points you're trying to make?
I'm guessing it's the latter than that's why so many have you on ignore.
Are you going to actually talk about my post or just whine about me?
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So you’re going to take the argumentative path. In that case, no, I’m not going to engage in a conversation with you. Maybe we can try this again once you’ve gained a little self-awareness and maturity.
good luck with that. i suspect youll die an old man first
See, posts like these are why I just call you a dumbass.
I asked for your argument, you can't provide one, and just resort to name calling. Insane.
Sounds like you’re once again adding to your mega list of people ignoring you. How does it feel to be constantly talking to yourself?
Bumping because you characterize the tariffs based on the expense that the "average" american will pay but don't characterize the tax cuts in the same way. Newsflash: people who spend more money will pay more because of the tariffs than people who spend less. Higher end earners spend more than lower end earners, so the tariffs actually hurt the rich more than they hurt the poor.
Also of note: when was the last time anyone can remember that gas prices went down going into memorial day?
