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sk8knight said:
Singapore has the second-highest vax rate in the world at 80% and has held similar policies to Australia's Covid Zero that emphasized strict lockdowns and penalties to try to "end covid" but just resulted in military force being used domestically on citizens. Well, following Australia's lead in dropping those restrictions in the face of the delta variant, Singapore is also backing down on it's strict regime. The PM of Singapore, after saying that they need to "live with the virus" also stated “It is no longer possible to bring covid-19 cases down to zero, even if we lock down for a long time. Therefore, we must prepare for covid-19 to become endemic, like the flu or chicken pox.”

So can we please stop with the unrealistic goals of trying to "end covid." It's not possible.
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Australia also has been on an insane "zero COVID" policy but they're finally giving up, realizing that vaccines alone aren't going to fully stem transmission and sitting on an isolated island bubble forever isn't sustainable.

www.foxnews.com

Australia to end 'covid zero' policy: 'Not a sustainable way to live'

Australia is set to end its "covid zero" policy after Prime Minister Scott Morrison determined that the country’s approach is not "sustainable" in the face of the more infectious COVID-19 delta variant.
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This has always been the risk for these zero COVID island bubbles - you have a population with almost zero natural immunity, complacency for vaccineis or lack thereof, and now a wildly contagious variant floating around that will burn through your populace if it gets in. Which it has in Australia.

I work with Taiwan and they've been on their own "zero COVID" policy path but they're desperately trying to find vaccines since they know Delta is getting in sooner or later, and it's gonna be real bad given that there's no prior immunity OR vaccines to be had right now.
 
Ucfmikes said:
That’s why we will get better vaccines. Science says you’re welcome, even though you should be banned from getting it and perish. See Darwinism
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Adding evidence that you are a terrible person to your other unhinged and juvenile posts.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Australia also has been on an insane "zero COVID" policy but they're finally giving up, realizing that vaccines alone aren't going to fully stem transmission and sitting on an isolated island bubble forever isn't sustainable.

www.foxnews.com

Australia to end 'covid zero' policy: 'Not a sustainable way to live'

Australia is set to end its "covid zero" policy after Prime Minister Scott Morrison determined that the country’s approach is not "sustainable" in the face of the more infectious COVID-19 delta variant.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

This has always been the risk for these zero COVID island bubbles - you have a population with almost zero natural immunity, complacency for vaccineis or lack thereof, and now a wildly contagious variant floating around that will burn through your populace if it gets in. Which it has in Australia.

I work with Taiwan and they've been on their own "zero COVID" policy path but they're desperately trying to find vaccines since they know Delta is getting in sooner or later, and it's gonna be real bad given that there's no prior immunity OR vaccines to be had right now.
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I agree with what you’re saying except for the complacency with vaccines. Singapore had 80% of their entire population vaccinated and Australia is progressing towards that goal. It’s not going to be enough, though, and we are going to have to accept that at some level and stop beating each other up.

Look, Mikes ongoing rage fest aside, I posted way back when all this started that we need to determine and take all the responsible precautions and not let hysteria get the better of us as people started running on toilet paper. Today, with what we know right now, that includes promoting vaccines and also developing therapeutics for use when the vaccines fail or people cannot or will not take the vaccines.

In any case, we need a deliberate, measured, and honest approach to this that takes the panic porn and political opportunism out of the equation entirely. We also need to continue to adapt to new information and that includes continually evaluating the efficacy and potential dangers of our treatments and vaccines as this thing continues to mutate.

Vaccine efficacy dropped from 91% to 66% when delta became prominent and that’s significant. It’s not enough that the vaccines we have just keep you from dying; they need to prevent transmission or even the vaccinated could be growing a variant that kills us all. We need to continue to invest heavily in vaccine technology targeted towards just that and yet I don’t think there’s a bunch of that in the $3.5 trillion bill.
 
sk8knight said:
I agree with what you’re saying except for the complacency with vaccines. Singapore had 80% of their entire population vaccinated and Australia is progressing towards that goal. It’s not going to be enough, though, and we are going to have to accept that at some level and stop beating each other up.

Look, Mikes ongoing rage fest aside, I posted way back when all this started that we need to determine and take all the responsible precautions and not let hysteria get the better of us as people started running on toilet paper. Today, with what we know right now, that includes promoting vaccines and also developing therapeutics for use when the vaccines fail or people cannot or will not take the vaccines.

In any case, we need a deliberate, measured, and honest approach to this that takes the panic porn and political opportunism out of the equation entirely. We also need to continue to adapt to new information and that includes continually evaluating the efficacy and potential dangers of our treatments and vaccines as this thing continues to mutate.

Vaccine efficacy dropped from 91% to 66% when delta became prominent and that’s significant. It’s not enough that the vaccines we have just keep you from dying; they need to prevent transmission or even the vaccinated could be growing a variant that kills us all. We need to continue to invest heavily in vaccine technology targeted towards just that and yet I don’t think there’s a bunch of that in the $3.5 trillion bill.
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If it's this easy to come up with vaccines, why aren't we dumping money in the same way towards all kinds of other vaccines. Cancer vaccines, aids vaccines, herpes vaccines.......this is easy. All we have to do is spend the money.
 
Ucfmikes said:
Adding evidence that you’re an anti-vaxxer going back to 1890
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If you’d put down your hatred, you’d see that I agree with most of your positions. But then what would fuel the angry little elf?
 
Crazyhole said:
If it's this easy to come up with vaccines, why aren't we dumping money in the same way towards all kinds of other vaccines. Cancer vaccines, aids vaccines, herpes vaccines.......this is easy. All we have to do is spend the money.
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It’s not easy but it’s supposed to be a lot easier with the mRNA vaccines. So, if vaccines are such a big deal, why aren’t we hearing all about the second generation vaccines meant to stem off delta and lambda? Why aren’t we aggressively funding incapacitated virus programs?
 
sk8knight said:
If you’d put down your hatred, you’d see that I agree with most of your positions. But then what would fuel the angry little elf?
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None of your posts are relevant to real life situations. You guys make no sense

There is a free vaccine ( the best available) that is preventing hospitalization and deaths until something better is developed. There’s nothing more to say. Scrapping vaccines or comparing modern medicine to pre-vaccination times is sheer lunacy. Barbaric

Then there are the big-Pharma conspiracy theorists and the ivermectin lunatics. What a bunch of weirdos
 
Ucfmikes said:
None of your posts are relevant to real life situations. You guys make no sense

There is a free vaccine ( the best available) that is preventing hospitalization and deaths until something better is developed. There’s nothing more to say. Scrapping vaccines or comparing modern medicine to pre-vaccination times is sheer lunacy. Barbaric

Then there are the big-Pharma conspiracy theorists and the ivermectin lunatics. What a bunch of weirdos
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You scratch the surface and then yell real loud and call people stupid when they want to have a better discussion.

Drawing parallels to this coronavirus and the others is the epitome of real world implications. And unlike your childish position, our science is far from perfect.

But to simplify it for you, I’ve argued for the vaccine a number of times.
 
sk8knight said:
You scratch the surface and then yell real loud and call people stupid when they want to have a better discussion.

Drawing parallels to this coronavirus and the others is the epitome of real world implications. And unlike your childish position, our science is far from perfect.

But to simplify it for you, I’ve argued for the vaccine a number of times.
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It’s vaccines or STFU. You guys are embarrassing yourselves. I show these posts to pulmonologists and radiologists and we crack up hysterically. Go right ahead and defy science by taking ivermectin and don’t get vaccinated or discourage it. Let’s see if you end up getting blood on your hands like the SCK who is dead at 37
 
Ucfmikes said:
It’s vaccines or STFU. You guys are embarrassing yourselves. I show these posts to pulmonologists and radiologists and we crack up hysterically. Go right ahead and defy science by taking ivermectin and don’t get vaccinated or discourage it. Let’s see if you end up getting blood on your hands like the SCK who is dead at 37
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Do you need me to call for a wellness check on you?

Also, you think they’re laughing with you but they’re probably laughing at you. How sad for you.
 
sk8knight said:
Do you need me to call for a wellness check on you?

Also, you think they’re laughing with you but they’re probably laughing at you. How sad for you.
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Give it up dude. You’re the laughing stock of our office. You have no medical knowledge whatsoever and are pathetic. You’re basically an anti-vaxxer and promote death. That makes you indirectly a murderer. You’re comparing 1890 pandemics with today and trying to superimpose medical knowledge back then with today’s. You are a joke
 
Ucfmikes said:
Give it up dude. You’re the laughing stock of our office. You have no medical knowledge whatsoever and are pathetic. You’re basically an anti-vaxxer and promote death. That makes you indirectly a murderer. You’re comparing 1890 pandemics with today and trying to superimpose medical knowledge back then with today’s. You are a joke
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I’m glad I have that much space in your head that you feel you need to bring me to work and share me. Obsess much?
 
sk8knight said:
I’m glad I have that much space in your head that you feel you need to bring me to work and share me. Obsess much?
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We were finishing up here and I ran 3-4 posts by a few people (not all yours) who asked me why I was laughing at my phone and I had them read it. They were like “good lord, you can expect as much from non medical people on basically a free football website.” The ivermectin posts are the best
 
Ucfmikes said:
We were finishing up here and I ran 3-4 posts by a few people (not all yours) who asked me why I was laughing at my phone and I had them read it. They were like “good lord, you can expect as much from non medical people on basically a free football website.” The ivermectin posts are the best
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They probably just agree with you because they know when somebody doesn't you becoming a raging lunatic.

Nobody likes an angry psychotic janitor, it's scary.
 
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Crazyhole said:
They probably just agree with you because they know when somebody doesn't you becoming a raging lunatic.

Nobody likes an angry psychotic janitor, it's scary.
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Come on, he’s got a UCF degree, so at least he’s admin. It’s not like he graduated from that school in Tampa.
 
Crazyhole said:
They probably just agree with you because they know when somebody doesn't you becoming a raging lunatic.

Nobody likes an angry psychotic janitor, it's scary.
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You guys are 14th century anti-vaxxers with no medical knowledge whatsoever and for you 2 retards to even attempt to try to act like an expert disputing the vaccines is like cavemen talking to a immunology professor. You 2 are preaching and discrediting modern science. I’m going with the flow. You can add @KNIGHTTIME^ and @UCFBS to the mix. I think Boston is just trolling us all
 
Crazyhole said:
Not surprising. Your addiction to jerking off probably meant you missed too many classes.
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Where did you graduate from? A technical school?

Remember you are the loser who is backed up from no sex, because women reject you and you haven’t had one in years
 
Ucfmikes said:
We were finishing up here and I ran 3-4 posts by a few people (not all yours) who asked me why I was laughing at my phone and I had them read it. They were like “good lord, you can expect as much from non medical people on basically a free football website.” The ivermectin posts are the best
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I mean, they’re pulmonologists and radiologists so at least they know medicine and deal with the effects of the disease. It is quite understandable that they would laugh because their ability to diagnose and somewhat treat the patients is night and day from 1890 and 1955 and even the recents SARS and MERS. That doesn’t mean that the lessons learned in those outbreaks are irrelevant nor does it mean that we somehow have it all figured out now to the degree where it’s a laughing matter.

I’ve talked about this stuff with actual virologists and epidemiologists that we work with that have been studying the similarities among the outbreaks over time and how effective we’ve been with respiratory viruses and they pointed out at least some of the stuff I’ve posted. They concern themselves with understanding virus behavior, outbreaks, their spread and their adaptations, coming up with countermeasures, and informing public policy. I’d say that my experts trump yours but I could care less about winning an argument. In the end, I’m glad that my posts give you all such humor in such a dire time. We’ll them as you’re too consumed with anger to be rational.
 
Ucfmikes said:
You guys are 14th century anti-vaxxers with no medical knowledge whatsoever and for you 2 retards to even attempt to try to act like an expert disputing the vaccines is like cavemen talking to a immunology professor. You 2 are preaching and discrediting modern science. I’m going with the flow. You can add @KNIGHTTIME^ and @UCFBS to the mix. I think Boston is just trolling us all
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Boston is the most sincere of all.
 
sk8knight said:
I mean, they’re pulmonologists and radiologists so at least they know medicine and deal with the effects of the disease. It is quite understandable that they would laugh because their ability to diagnose and somewhat treat the patients is night and day from 1890 and 1955 and even the recents SARS and MERS. That doesn’t mean that the lessons learned in those outbreaks are irrelevant nor does it mean that we somehow have it all figured out now to the degree where it’s a laughing matter.

I’ve talked about this stuff with actual virologists and epidemiologists that we work with that have been studying the similarities among the outbreaks over time and how effective we’ve been with respiratory viruses and they pointed out at least some of the stuff I’ve posted. They concern themselves with understanding virus behavior, outbreaks, their spread and their adaptations, coming up with countermeasures, and informing public policy. I’d say that my experts trump yours but I could care less about winning an argument. In the end, I’m glad that my posts give you all such humor in such a dire time. We’ll them as you’re too consumed with anger to be rational.
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The pulmonologist works at Osceola regional and he’s exhausted treating patients on ventilators all day and night. For 1 1/2 years basically. He said that most of the patients are unvaccinated and now between 35-55. Way more angry at the mainstream media, internet BS and anti-vaxxers like yourself than I am. He’s living it

The radiologist reads the morning ICU CXRs at Sand Lake Hospital and he sees infiltration throughout the lungs in patients of the same age group. He’s never seen anything like it

But you be you sitting at home on your ass in fantasyland WC
 
sk8knight said:
I mean, they’re pulmonologists and radiologists so at least they know medicine and deal with the effects of the disease. It is quite understandable that they would laugh because their ability to diagnose and somewhat treat the patients is night and day from 1890 and 1955 and even the recents SARS and MERS. That doesn’t mean that the lessons learned in those outbreaks are irrelevant nor does it mean that we somehow have it all figured out now to the degree where it’s a laughing matter.

I’ve talked about this stuff with actual virologists and epidemiologists that we work with that have been studying the similarities among the outbreaks over time and how effective we’ve been with respiratory viruses and they pointed out at least some of the stuff I’ve posted. They concern themselves with understanding virus behavior, outbreaks, their spread and their adaptations, coming up with countermeasures, and informing public policy. I’d say that my experts trump yours but I could care less about winning an argument. In the end, I’m glad that my posts give you all such humor in such a dire time. We’ll them as you’re too consumed with anger to be rational.
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Virology is SO 14th century dude. They didn't even have smart phones back then.
 
Ucfmikes said:
Or smartass antivaxxers. They are all dead
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Your body and mind are so weak that you wouldn't be able to survive without pharmaceuticals and antidepressants. Must be weird knowing that a cocktail of drugs is the only thing keeping you alive.
 
Crazyhole said:
Your body and mind are so weak that you wouldn't be able to survive without pharmaceuticals and antidepressants. Must be weird knowing that a cocktail of drugs is the only thing keeping you alive.
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Aren’t you the one telling the whole world how you were so depressed and wanted to blow your brains out and needed therapy?

Who needs drugs?
 
Ucfmikes said:
Aren’t you the one telling the whole world how you were so depressed and wanted to blow your brains out and needed therapy?

Who needs drugs?
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I didn't take any drugs to get over it. You will be medicated for the rest of your life because you don't have the strength to overcome on your own. That's what makes you a loser that obsesses over jerking off and being a 12 year old keyboard warrior.
 
Crazyhole said:
I didn't take any drugs to get over it. You will be medicated for the rest of your life because you don't have the strength to overcome on your own. That's what makes you a loser that obsesses over jerking off and being a 12 year old keyboard warrior.
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You jerkoff everyday and you must be one ugly fukc because no woman wants you. You have no life, no friends and no job. You’re obsessed with the WC 24/7 and blow a load over your computer in your mothers basement everytime your 3 make believe friends post. That’s 100% you. Prove otherwise
 
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Ucfmikes said:
The pulmonologist works at Osceola regional and he’s exhausted treating patients on ventilators all day and night. For 1 1/2 years basically. He said that most of the patients are unvaccinated and now between 35-55. Way more angry at the mainstream media, internet BS and anti-vaxxers like yourself than I am. He’s living it

The radiologist reads the morning ICU CXRs at Sand Lake Hospital and he sees infiltration throughout the lungs in patients of the same age group. He’s never seen anything like it

But you be you sitting at home on your ass in fantasyland WC
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Stop taking everything so negatively. I wasn’t criticizing them.
 
UCFBS said:
I think I'm starting to see the appeal of @Ucfmikes to others, especially when I'm not the target. He's so over-the-top, hateful-spiteful-troll, it becomes comical. Especially when he posts so much, constantly, taking up more scrollbar than even I do.

It's utterly negative, and I'm at the point that maybe Brandon needs to say something about it. But damn, it's so ridiculous that it's actually funny, but -- still -- in a completely negative way.
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Why are 2 of the world’s foremost experts in COVID and vaccinations posting in to the WC to people who don’t care, are crazy, uneducated, unemployed, retired, have them on ignore? We are talking like 10-15 people tops. Including some of the lowest human forms on the planet

WHY YOU MAY ASK? Because every other reputable site has shot them down and now they are desperate to preach to ANYONE who will listen.
 
UCFBS said:
I think I'm starting to see the appeal of @Ucfmikes to others, especially when I'm not the target. He's so over-the-top, hateful-spiteful-troll, it becomes comical. Especially when he posts so much, constantly, taking up more scrollbar than even I do.

It's utterly negative, and I'm at the point that maybe Brandon needs to say something about it. But damn, it's so ridiculous that it's actually funny, but -- still -- in a completely negative way.
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What is Brandon going to do? He thinks you’re a nut and he’s pro-vaccines. He was vaccinated awhile ago. He’s constantly bringing up stories about young people and members of the DUNGEON getting hospitalized or dying from COVID. Unvaccinated

You’re pleading with someone who probably thinks that you’re indirectly murdering people like the rest of us

Just give it up you fat, pathetic whale 🐳
No human could possibly imitate your over the top manifestos.
 
The CDC doesn't want you getting an antibody test for natural immunity. Why?

They want you to get vaccinated regardless of whether you have immunity of any kind. Seems weird.
 
UCFBS said:
when he posts so much, constantly, taking up more scrollbar than even I do.
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Hahahahahhaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
UCFBS said:
And here we have a perfect example of US CDC v. US FDA & NIH.

The US CDC cares about mitigating risks to the country, and will advise based on incomplete and even unapproved, non-peer reviewed, data.

The US FDA & NIH focus on mitigating risks to individual Americans, and utterly live on proven, peer reviewed data and multiple studies.
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Why are 2 of the world’s foremost experts in COVID and vaccinations posting in to the WC
 
UCFBS said:
I am just glad that it's becoming more and more mainstream to admit that mRNA vaccines, at least in their current state, are an INCOMPLETE vector, especially on their own. That's all I've ever worried about.

Ironically, we might have been better off also giving everyone an Adenovirus, with no payload, from the get-go, just to build up T-cells which can fight any coronavirus (CoV). And then, once the mRNA vaccines became available, rolled them out with more scrutiny.

But that's all hindsight now. We're learning more and more about CoVs, as we have the past 15+ years.

In any case, I hope everyone now realizes what I meant by the fact that we really don't know jack about CoV, and it would be years before we knew what we were doing. mRNA vaccines need to be updated, but -- as the US NIH warned -- were always going to be an INCOMPLETE vector on their own.

In defense of mRNA vaccines, they are better than inactivated virus vaccines (some Chinese, Russian and others), and -- at least with SARS-CoV-2 -- they proved to be very safe, especially anyone 40+. Live, attenuated virus vaccines are far more dangerous, and will take a lot longer to develop.
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I think a big part of the problem with some is that the general understanding of vaccines boils down to a pre-infection product that confers immunity to the patient. Not all vaccines work that way. Some are more therapeutic and help your immune system fight off the disease and then you have true therapeutic vaccines that are given post-infection to help your immune system fight.

The problem some people have now with this vaccine is that it was originally sold very strongly as conferring immunity upon 90+ percent of consumers. The we were told that wasn’t true (the reason doesn’t matter to most) and a group of people that are very suspicious of a government that they’re being told lies to them all the time loses faith. What is true and what isn’t? They’re distrustful by nature so what can they trust now?

If they were clear and honest on the messaging, didn’t wrongly tout it as a way to end COVID, and didn’t vilify those that haven’t yet taken it while being so wrong so many times, maybe we’d be at 80%. Hell, if they came out and apologized now and conveyed an honest statement, you’d win a good percentage over.
 
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