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Okay. Then attributing the difference is race is what??? What should you call that?
So living in "a post-racial society" somehow means we can make sweeping claims about IQ based on race? How does that work?
Objectivity based on data and studies. It's not racist to say that black Americans have a higher average IQ than sub-saharan African, is it?
It would be incredible stupidity if you were believing the IQ differences were because of biology, and not other factors. So, it wouldn't be racist (if you considered American Blacks to be racial equal to Sub-Saharan Black), just dumb as f*ck.
Bahahahahahahahaha! It's racist to say black people will different environmental factors have higher IQs than black people with different environmental factors?
You guys crack me up with your ignorance to science and logic.
You don't know how science works, do you?
You're seriously dumb as dogshit, and racist.
Lol, and where did I say it was based on biology? You guys just go full on REEEEEEE right out of the gate because woke.
No. Racist would be ...
- Blacks are of less cognitive capability than whites
- Asians are of more cognitive capability than whites
- "Oh, you're Asian. You must be good at math."
Now, that aside, what Fox News did IS 'insensitive.' Read on ...
Fox News has been doing things like this ever since the 'Oil for Food' program was utterly helping enrich Americans and their corporations during the Clinton and even W. administrations. The rest of the US Media wouldn't touch it.
I cannot stand Fox News 98% of the time, and yes, they have an agenda. But just like MSNBC and their agendas, they do serve a purpose 2% of the time. Short of Hannity and Maddow, who rarely ever serve any good, Tucker is another O'Reilly, and he won't follow a lot of narratives, right or wrong. He, like O'Reilly, gets a lot wrong, but at least he's not 100% narrative-focused.
There are a few at CNN and MSNBC too.
I cannot stand Fox News 98% of the time, and yes, they have an agenda. But just like MSNBC and their agendas, they do serve a purpose 2% of the time. Short of Hannity and Maddow, who rarely ever serve any good, Tucker is another O'Reilly, and he won't follow a lot of narratives, right or wrong. He, like O'Reilly, gets a lot wrong, but at least he's not 100% narrative-focused.
There are a few at CNN and MSNBC too.
Again, statistically speaking ... this is where it gets 'insensitive' but also probably 'necessary.'
I liken this to when Justice Scalia brought up the real, unavoidable issue -- and he phrased it in a valid question -- that universities are massively failing African-Americans as underclassmen and women, so why isn't the state of Texas looking at the reasons for that problem, and how community colleges are actually helping African-Americans succeed much better when they enter the university as upperclassmen and women.
Again, it IS 'insensitive,' but ironically, a very 'necessary' question to ask. That's why, ironically, Fox News sometimes touches on things that even Democratic Socialists have also been asking. This is why the GOP has also been gaining minority voters too. Progressives are ignoring this at their peril.
Cognitive doesn't mean 'less capable.' No one is arguing black v. white v. Asian v. et al. on 'intelligence.' We actually have a 'behavioral science' behind it. This has nothing to do with IQ.
Cognitive behavioral therapy - Wikipedia
The discussion surrounds black v. white v. Asian v. et al. societal normals. There is intense pressure in various communities to focus on various things. That is actually about trying to address overall issues, individual and community, to a positive benefit for the individual. I know this stuff is not popular, and can be extremely insensitive.
But when you grow up with Media and attitudes, it does affect individuals.
And yes, White Supremacists do use it out-of-context and to a narrative.
The question is ... did Fox News give a platform to a White Supremacist? Same goes for when we have radical feminists and others on CNN and MSNBC. That's the bigger issue overall. But I guess I'm a fan of 'controversy' and 'alternative viewpoints' ... because it forces people to justify things.
I don't like cancel culture and nuking people merely because idea X is sometimes associated with Y, and person A talks about that, who is associated with person B ... so now idea X equates person B, and it's automatically canceled. That's only leading to more minorities voting GOP, because they want idea X talked about, instead of idea Y, or either person A & B.
Fine, you win. Just keep believing that Sub-Saharan Africans have the same IQ as black Americans, white Americans, Asians, aborigines that have never been to school, and people with down syndrome. I'm sure your virtue somehow makes up for that lack of logic.
Sweet. I guess I'm as smart as someone with a PHD by your logic, and it's hateful for you to say otherwise.
You don't even understand why we think you're dumb as shit with this argument you're attempting to make, do you?
Do you know what variables are? Do you know what a control is? Do you understand why these things need to be defined in order to make claims like you are making, and why your intentional vagueness is dumber than dogshit?
I know you're trying to be funny, and edgy, and trolly, but really you're just being an idiot.
With all the dumb shit you say around here, no one would confuse you for a PhD.
Now please, stop trolling.
To bring your backtrack dancing around in this thread back to the beginning, it started with your response to the Tucker Carlson interview where his guest opined that "the cognitive demands" of some occupations made it difficult to attract Blacks who have lower IQs. Here it is:
If you actually believe, as you've stated since that post, that IQ is primarily environment, a simple apology will suffice.
What intentional vagueness? Thats pretty funny because I've been as explicit in what I'm saying as humanly possible.
Would you like me to link to IQ studies that have been done that back up my objective opinion, or do you just think those are racist as well?
^^^ This is why more and more minorities are looking to the GOP.
Racists use biology as the argument.
No one is asserting biology as the argument here ... except you.
Congrats, you're just as bad as a White Supremacist!
This is why we cannot have civil discourse.
And the people screaming 'Racism' are as bad as the actual 'Racists.'
This is also why I do not touch this stuff.
I mean ... it's ironic how the Media generates the most racist aspects and negative results in our culture ... yet throws around 'Racist!' when they are the biggest generators.
I stand by it. Black Americans have an average IQ range that is around 12 points lower than white Americans. White Americans have an average IQ that is around 2 points lower than east Asians. Facts aren't racist.
Just like the trans thread, you've proven you're either incredibly stupid, or a huge bigot. Choose.
Actually, that pretty much applies to you because you cannot be objective, and love 'shutdown' labels like the US Media.
Meanwhile, you alienate minorities at the same time for saying 'No problem here.'
That's really not the discussion to have. And it's part of Tucker's problem too. It was Justice Scalia's problem as well.
It alienates people from a real, and sometimes insensitive, issue that does need to be discussed. There is a far better approach.
Neither. You just aren't able to look at things objectively so your emotional response takes over. That makes you ignorant.
Okay, Copernicus.
In this incredibly scientific study, what other variables were identified, controlled, and quantified?
I disagree. It is the discussion to have because it underscores an issue that needs to be addressed. What environmental factors lead to this outcome and what can be done to address it, if anything?
Racists use biology as the argument.
Racists also deliberately fail to identify variables within scientific data to try to establish results that are vague, easily misconstrued, and fit their racist beliefs
Lol, there are no control groups for average IQ dumbass. The control is the test.
You're asserting everyone is talking biology.
That actually makes you a racist.
You literally are not following the concept of what 'cognitive' means.
There are countless factors and variables and they are in the study!
You're the one asserting everyone is talking biology.
Again, welcome to racism ... racist!
It's not a factor, it's a category that the studies break down. Biology has nothing to do with producing the results. Why is that hard to understand?
So, if biology isn't a factor, there are other factors that need to be defined.
You can't say Black Americans have lower IQs than White Americans unless you define the variables.
Understand? Black and White have nothing to do with producing the results.
I'm probably just missing your point. I'm just suggesting that without Comparative data, be it from state to state or demographic to demographic, it paints a more accurate picture of what is going on so we can address issues more directly and appropriately. Ignoring that data for the sake of wokeness is actually just pretending an issue doesn't exist so it can never be addressed.You're either missing my point, or trolling @chemmie, who is very much a racist.
This is correct.
The other variables are the issue, not biology. So racist assholes on Tucker Carlson Show shouldn't be using biology as the primary differentiator.
At the risk of experiencing the vitriol of KnighttimeJoe for not following his advice and resisting the urge to comment further in what has become a ridiculous thread, here's one more comment:
Facts aren't racist but the comments by Tucker Carlson's guest on Fox News certainly were. Comments which you indicated you agreed with.
We all make mistakes here. It goes with the territory when we offer up our blowhard opinions on a regular basis. If you want to 'stand by' one you've made, that's fine. But let's be clear here: You said "nothing Carlson's guest said was untrue." FYI, he was talking about biology.
