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So Trump will finally get out now, right?

UCF-icenhl-06 said:
Not comparing them...just saying the democratic base has recently rallied from behind. Not saying she would obviously do it and definitely agree she does have half of his likability. But if the campaign was able to focus on credentials and issues, she could (not would...could) gain some momentum. Just one example would be Obamacare as a decisive issue instead of pointless e-mail and Benghazi "scandals"
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Uh, there was just a small matter of the financial crisis during the 2008 election cycle. Absolutely no party would have survived that fallout if their party was currently in office.

It's not at all comparable to what would have been happening today if Rubio or Kasich were running.

It's telling though that you view the Hillary email crisis as "pointless". Kind of shows your bias. Especially after I listened to her assure everyone that Russia is hacking the DNC and that they're waging cyber warfare. I guess they're good enough to hack the DNC but not good enough to hack her unsecured private server that she kept hidden from State Dept view?
 
UCFKnight85 said:
It's telling though that you view the Hillary email crisis as "pointless". Kind of shows your bias. Especially after I listened to her assure everyone that Russia is hacking the DNC and that they're waging cyber warfare. I guess they're good enough to hack the DNC but not good enough to hack her unsecured private server that she kept hidden from State Dept view?
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It's pointless because it's been investigated by more committees than 9/11 and still nothing that points to national security having actually been compromised/damaged. I've actually done some reading on both sides and really the deeper you look, the less interesting it gets. So while it was worth looking into and investigation warranted, this should be over and done with lonnnnnnnng ago. And any respectful R candidate I'm sure would have likely moved past it as well to "discuss the real issues" if he was any sort of the candidate worthy of being President.
 
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UCF-icenhl-06 said:
It's pointless because it's been investigated by more committees than 9/11 and still nothing that points to national security having actually been compromised/damaged. I've actually done some reading on both sides and really the deeper you look, the less interesting it gets. So while it was worth looking into and investigation warranted, this should be over and done with lonnnnnnnng ago. And any respectful R candidate I'm sure would have likely moved past it as well to "discuss the real issues" if he was any sort of the candidate worthy of being President.
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Because destroying evidence is pointless and not worth looking into.
 
UCF-icenhl-06 said:
It's pointless because it's been investigated by more committees than 9/11 and still nothing that points to national security having actually been compromised/damaged. I've actually done some reading on both sides and really the deeper you look, the less interesting it gets. So while it was worth looking into and investigation warranted, this should be over and done with lonnnnnnnng ago. And any respectful R candidate I'm sure would have likely moved past it as well to "discuss the real issues" if he was any sort of the candidate worthy of being President.
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LOL

First off, no one actually knows whether or not national security was compromised. And if the FBi does know, they sure as hell won't broadcast it. So wrong.

2nd, don't you think those 33,000 deleted emails might have helped assure your point? She deleted emails that were UNDER SUBPOENA. The fact that you find this as "not a big deal" is just astounding. It's a much bigger deal than Trump talking like a dipshit 11 years ago.
 
All the players involved received immunity for nothing and the FBI agrees to destroy their computers. Sorry, that does not pass the smell test.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
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First off, no one actually knows whether or not national security was compromised. And if the FBi does know, they sure as hell won't broadcast it. So wrong.

2nd, don't you think those 33,000 deleted emails might have helped assure your point? She deleted emails that were UNDER SUBPOENA. The fact that you find this as "not a big deal" is just astounding. It's a much bigger deal than Trump talking like a dipshit 11 years ago.
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I just go off of the reasonable assessments available and whether or not it likely matters. You guys can play conspiracy theory games all you want, but if anyone tries to take a reasonable, unbias look at the information available there is nothing to suggest that this issue deserves the amount of ...whatever you call this...it continues to get.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

Our ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.
 
UCF-icenhl-06 said:
I just go off of the reasonable assessments available and whether or not it likely matters. You guys can play conspiracy theory games all you want, but if anyone tries to take a reasonable, unbias look at the information available there is nothing to suggest that this issue deserves the amount of ...whatever you call this...it continues to get.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

Our ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.
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You realize she had at least 13 different devices (ipads,iphones,etc) and when they asked for them they destroyed them with hammers.

On top of that, the guy running the server went on reddit to look up how to remove the to and from fields from emails in bulk. He later went on to say if no one could answer quickly enough, he would just use find and replace. that was before he even deleted the 33k emails.

oh, and you dont necessarily have to compromise the server to steal classified info. she had an internet facing printer. printers are extremely vulnerable and almost no one patches them. a hacker could have easily gained access to that and viewed whatever was sent to the printer with little way of finding out if that even happened.

it is extremely likely that her servers/printers/devices were compromised. to say anything else means you are not that informed. anyone else would already be in jail for putting national security at risk.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Uh, there was just a small matter of the financial crisis during the 2008 election cycle. Absolutely no party would have survived that fallout if their party was currently in office.
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The thing is ... the 2008 financial crisis has not actually ended. Several financial media outlets have responsibly been pointing out that the Fed and other instruments have been trying everything to stimulate growth and recovery for the past 7 years, and it's utterly failing.

In other words, we're still implementing all sorts of measures to recover, and it's utterly stalled. We've just post-poned the inevitable, with a massive and continued influx of monetary policy at depression-fighting rates. In fact, it's one reason I want Clinton to win. I don't want another 2000-2001. I want it to happen after Clinton takes office.

UCFKnight85 said:
It's telling though that you view the Hillary email crisis as "pointless". Kind of shows your bias. Especially after I listened to her assure everyone that Russia is hacking the DNC and that they're waging cyber warfare. I guess they're good enough to hack the DNC but not good enough to hack her unsecured private server that she kept hidden from State Dept view?
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When the story that Clinton was using her own e-mail servers for 100% of her communication a little over a year ago, the first thing all of us did was hit the RBL and other sites. Sure enough, they were all over it. Several of the sites basically 'rate' the security of servers, and for a good portion of the time they were operating, they were chronic fail.

They were also regularly replaced, which most assume were because they were compromised at times. Because of the lack of logs and auditing, we'll never know for sure.

But then we were then wondering, if the Internet was blackballing her servers constantly ... then how was she communicating with State, Defense and others? That too led to a lot of question. After all, we're usually talking Symantec, TrendMicro and others, which most of us deal with and know how they operate.

Then in 2016 June, the leak -- and subsequent release by the FBI -- finally came out how. State was just disabling all security. Not whitelisting her servers, but just disabling all TrendMicro software. Total liability compounded by total incompetence compounded by other things. And then add in the fact that Clinton's and even State's own lawyers didn't bother getting DoD 8570 certified, much less cleared, people.

Now all that was only confirmed for State. DNC, Congress and other things ... well, now you're understanding what happens when you have a compromised X.500 directory like MS Exchange schema, which is what Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES), requires. Which means it was quite cake to get a crapload of information with ease. Talk to any gray hats and they'll all tell you the same thing. Everyone and everyone, not just the Russians, with an intelligence agency had access, a trove of information. From there, it's just a matter of compromising additional systems using similar credentials and information.

Furthermore, many us have been following a lot of information about various people, especially those who were granted immunity, as their 'semi-anonymous' accounts on various technical sites and forums have been figured out and disclosed. So all their posts to various forums, reddit, etc... really tell a major, "smoking gun" story. Basically a catalog of not only all their technical f'ups, but the fact that they were doing things after court orders to cover things up.

The problem is that immunity was already granted, and the FBI wanted it closed. Nothing can be done about that now. It's just private lawsuits, largely around FOIA left.

With all this 'new information' pieced together that is slowly coming out, with more every day, the FBI are looking like complete idiots, especially in the technical, but also legal, community. But then again, I'm sure if some in the FBI could talk, they'd say the move to close wasn't a technical argument, and probably 180 degrees from it. Which is why most everything anyone says in the US media is just utter garbage.

Hillary even trying to defend herself on this gets her own statements dead wrong, as even Comey had to finally warn her about.
 
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Everything she has said on this has turned out to be a lie, yet Ice keeps taking the opinion that it's no big deal.

There was never any classified information, period! Oh wait- there was. Tons of it.

It was just one computer in my basement! Oh wait- it was up to 11 devices, many of which were destroyed before being reviewed by investigators.

I didn't scrub my hard drive! Oh wait- someone "working for me" did, on accident! Oh and this was while under subpoena for Benghazi, and those emails most likely contained info on- Benghazi!

How much more can this woman lie and insult your intelligence?
 
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UCF-icenhl-06 said:
I just go off of the reasonable assessments available and whether or not it likely matters. You guys can play conspiracy theory games all you want, but if anyone tries to take a reasonable, unbias look at the information available there is nothing to suggest that this issue deserves the amount of ...whatever you call this...it continues to get.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

Our ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.
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Jesus Christ - seriously? First off, PolitFact is a hilarious name considering they routinely put out dumb shit like this.

Do you not see the glaring problem above? They think that since THEY made the decision to delete the emails, that somehow outweighs a SUBPOENA for Benghazi related emails. In other words, the Clintons are above the law. Again. How can anyone possibly know if Hillary really turned over Benghazi related emails if no one actually got to look through those 33,000 emails? Because she said so?

Here's a hint: if anyone else receives a subpoena for records, and someone working for you deletes them anyways on your orders, you're still going to be held to the fire for obstruction of justice. Unless your name is Clinton of course.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Jesus Christ - seriously? First off, PolitFact is a hilarious name considering they routinely put out dumb shit like this.

Do you not see the glaring problem above? They think that since THEY made the decision to delete the emails, that somehow outweighs a SUBPOENA for Benghazi related emails. In other words, the Clintons are above the law. Again. How can anyone possibly know if Hillary really turned over Benghazi related emails if no one actually got to look through those 33,000 emails? Because she said so?

Here's a hint: if anyone else receives a subpoena for records, and someone working for you deletes them anyways on your orders, you're still going to be held to the fire for obstruction of justice. Unless your name is Clinton of course.
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Indeed, it's seriously getting totally debunked in the technical circles right now. Now those 'fact' sites have to go on 'proof,' which means the mainstream media articles, which means the FBI. Defense won't speak of it, for obvious reasons, just like with Benghazi and other things.

But understand these are the same 'reliable sources' that are saying Hillary wasn't compromised either.

This is becoming exactly like the US government and mainstream media v. Gary Webb, where the CIA refused to confirm what Webb had discovered, just like the FBI is refusing to confirm what many people know must have happened, and possibly worse (and in some cases, already confirmed to be much worse than suspected). Unfortunately for Clinton and the FBI, in the age of connected social media where no one is truly anonymous, it will come out, and will be exposed. Technical subject matter experts (SME) are now the 'investigative journalist,' working together, to piece what the US government so desperately doesn't want to admit to -- and even more likely -- how not following policy, for very damn good reasons, allowed various access into the DNC and Congress, not just State, among other things.

Because as we're now seeing in a lot of technical community chatter and investigation, several have identified the semi-anonymous names and accounts for a lot of the people with State (as public servants or contractors), Hillary (as private contractors) and others -- most of which who were granted criminal immunity -- who were clearly asking about all sorts of crap well after dates of court orders, and the reasons why. In most cases, they have deleted and yanked their accounts, but some information has been re-created from backups and other captures.

In other words, the FBI is looking like idiots, serious, oblivious, idiots, who took people they gave immunity to at their word, or just wanted the matter dropped so they wouldn't affect an US election. If Comey would just come out an say that, he's dropped hints, but hasn't directly said it, I'd respect that. But he hasn't, which is feeding a lot of this.

The US media is, of course, heavily aligned with and many even receive direction from the Clinton camp, so this is being very poorly reported -- especially since nearly all US journalists lack any technical background. Now a few journalists (ignoring Fox, I won't visit anything from Fox, because they aren't objective either) are actually being objective, and trying to point this out. But they don't get much time on-air.

Over the next 3-5 years, you're going to see a number of the private lawsuits under FOIA, and some cross-examinations where some of those granted immunity, will have to admit to what they did. Why? Because the information that is being discovered basically shows everything, and the individuals are quickly becoming identified and connected to their on-line accounts.

It's literally one of those rolling conspiracy theories that keep proving itself true. Again, it really started when most of us 'white hats' and others who deal with the exact specifics first heard Clinton was using her own BES for 100% of all communication, and we were staring at the obviousness of the truth. Although I still cannot believe State was so incompetent that they just shut down all Trendnet Micro software, instead of just whitelisting Clinton's server.
 
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Jesus Christ - seriously? First off, PolitFact is a hilarious name considering they routinely put out dumb shit like this.

Do you not see the glaring problem above? They think that since THEY made the decision to delete the emails, that somehow outweighs a SUBPOENA for Benghazi related emails. In other words, the Clintons are above the law. Again. How can anyone possibly know if Hillary really turned over Benghazi related emails if no one actually got to look through those 33,000 emails? Because she said so?

Here's a hint: if anyone else receives a subpoena for records, and someone working for you deletes them anyways on your orders, you're still going to be held to the fire for obstruction of justice. Unless your name is Clinton of course.
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youre not very good with timelines are you?
 
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UCF-icenhl-06 said:
youre not very good with timelines are you?
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And apparently you are not following this outside the US media, where the technical Subject Matter Experts (SME) who are releasing more and more information as they piece it together. This is a massive cover-up of epic proportions, and many of those who were granted immunity are being caught with their pants down, based on their public, semi-anonymous accounts which they've tried to delete and bury.

Comey and the FBI keep saying various things, and hide behind 'no proof,' which is a very, very tactiful, legal position ... for a reason.

I cannot stress that this smacks directly of Gary Webb, where the US media destroyed him when the CIA refused to admit to what they had done. In that case, it was the Reagan administration fighting with Congress over funding. In this case, you have a FBI chief who served on the namesake board of the person he was investigating, and many other things, that are total conflict-of-interest. The FBI gave broad immunity to everyone, and told everyone they did so they would 'tell the truth,' and now several of those people are looking like they very much gave false information to the FBI.

That's why the FBI and Comey have shifted to 'no proof' of 'intent' -- yes, intent, not that they didn't do it, not that they didn't lie about it (they very much did!), just the 'intent' -- even when these details are uncovered! The FBI is looking like idiots precisely because of the timelines!

The FBI investigation ended for political reasons, not technical ones. But the world is far more connected now, than in Webb's day.

Turn off the TV, seek out someone with a clearance, exposure to Information Assurance (IA) requirements, and see if they've been following the 'community investigations.' Some of you may be media sheep, but there are a lot of freedom-loving Libertarians who work in the US government. They are the type that like to know the truth.

Even if they cannot share it, although some things can be done in the public eye, and are very much right now. The US media just doesn't follow it, much less are too technically ignorant to follow it.
 
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And apparently you are not following this outside the US media, where the technical Subject Matter Experts (SME) who are releasing more and more information as they piece it together. This is a massive cover-up of epic proportions, and many of those who were granted immunity are being caught with their pants down, based on their public, semi-anonymous accounts which they've tried to delete and bury.

Comey and the FBI keep saying various things, and hide behind 'no proof,' which is a very, very tactiful, legal position ... for a reason.

I cannot stress that this smacks directly of Gary Webb, where the US media destroyed him when the CIA refused to admit to what they had done. In that case, it was the Reagan administration fighting with Congress over funding. In this case, you have a FBI chief who served on the namesake board of the person he was investigating, and many other things, that are total conflict-of-interest. The FBI gave broad immunity to everyone, and told everyone they did so they would 'tell the truth,' and now several of those people are looking like they very much gave false information to the FBI.

That's why the FBI and Comey have shifted to 'no proof' of 'intent' -- yes, intent, not that they didn't do it, not that they didn't lie about it (they very much did!), just the 'intent' -- even when these details are uncovered! The FBI is looking like idiots precisely because of the timelines!

The FBI investigation ended for political reasons, not technical ones. But the world is far more connected now, than in Webb's day.

Turn off the TV, seek out someone with a clearance, exposure to Information Assurance (IA) requirements, and see if they've been following the 'community investigations.' Some of you may be media sheep, but there are a lot of freedom-loving Libertarians who work in the US government. They are the type that like to know the truth.

Even if they cannot share it, although some things can be done in the public eye, and are very much right now. The US media just doesn't follow it, much less are too technically ignorant to follow it.
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lolz the WC has a much higher love for cucky wimpy globalist professional politicians than real folks.

Wishy washy say anything Lehman Bros., Cucsich? HRC would bend over that little b!tch boy all night long.

Would go Trump then straight Democrat if election was today for their insolence. I don't care if Osama bin Laden Jr. is the nominee, he grabbed the primaries by the pvssy fair & square. GOPe ensuring I vote Libertarian if they ram Paul Ryan or some other POS next POTUS election.
 
So, we now know that the Department of Justice and the Clinton Campaign were actively talking, communicating, and coordinating around campaign efforts, all while the DOJ was "supposedly" investigating her for breaking the law with housing an unapproved and dangerous private email server.

But nope- nothing to see here. Any idea that the Obama DOJ and Clinton Campaign were colluding is just a RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...eared-to-have-contacts-with-doj-on-email-case
 
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So, we now know that the Department of Justice and the Clinton Campaign were actively talking, communicating, and coordinating around campaign efforts, all while the DOJ was "supposedly" investigating her for breaking the law with housing an unapproved and dangerous private email server.

But nope- nothing to see here. Any idea that the Obama DOJ and Clinton Campaign were colluding is just a RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...eared-to-have-contacts-with-doj-on-email-case
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If only Trump would give up some of the limelight and let the media focus on this, but nope. Instead he has decided to try and blow-up the GOP.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
So, we now know that the Department of Justice and the Clinton Campaign were actively talking, communicating, and coordinating around campaign efforts, all while the DOJ was "supposedly" investigating her for breaking the law with housing an unapproved and dangerous private email server.

But nope- nothing to see here. Any idea that the Obama DOJ and Clinton Campaign were colluding is just a RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...eared-to-have-contacts-with-doj-on-email-case
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Ok, since I am stupid (per Sir Galahad assessment), isn't the DOJ required to notify Clinton about a status hearing in a lawsuit that she is involved in?
 
UCF11and1 said:
Ok, since I am stupid (per Sir Galahad assessment), isn't the DOJ required to notify Clinton about a status hearing in a lawsuit that she is involved in?
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Yes.

What they are not required to do is agree to handicapping the agents, not allowing them to seize assets and investigate the case, or only ask specific, pre-created questions of the people granted immunity. And that's before we visit the fact that uncleared, untrained personnel were allowed to handle and review classified materials on the Clinton legal team. More and more we're understanding what really went down, and why the FBI is looking technically incompetent. Because it wasn't because they were technically incompetent. It was because it was politically controlled and controlled by anyone but the agents.

Which explains why anyone around this sphere, including several with other agencies, considers not just State, but the previously very highly regarded FBI, to be utterly and politically compromised now. But unlike State, that is wholly unacceptable to those within the FBI.

Understand the FBI is not just another agency filled with political appointees that rotate in and out with parties and administrations, along with who are politically savvy enough to stick around, and are decent or even very good diplomats. The FBI is filled with the best of the best, who make life-long sacrifices, because they choose the FBI, because they have some of the strongest ethos to justice you'll ever find throughout the world in law enforcement. And that's why we're now dealing with a massive number of very pissed off professionals, just like the ATF less than a decade ago too.

As I said, this is all coming out, and will continue to come out, over the next 2-3 years. It's not going away. Many FBI agents are very pissed off as they see all of the allegations pile up based on some State or Clinton contractor's public accounts being found, and information captured, before they could delete them. Other sites are going to backups, and exposing information, dates, and other things. And more and more FBI agents are starting to leak things to the press.

This is, what most of us thought, back in 2015 when it came out, and we checked the RBL/Blackhole lists, and realized how bad it could be ... and then it only got worse than we imagined. People who deal with these federal systems, day-in, day-out, along with being part of the CERT teams, Cybersecurity First Responders, and the like. It's like the worst nightmare ever. But that wasn't even the half of it.

We're not even talking about the reasons why Clinton used her own server for 100% of her correspondence. We're not even talking about what classified information was found on her server. We're talking about the total, compounding liability-security issue, with the added reality that there was a massive cover-up by the same people who were granted immunity, and didn't disclose anything of value, because the questions were controlled. That's why Comey keeps falling back to the 'no proof' that they lied to the FBI. It's not about who lied or didn't. It's about them not being asked the questions, and definitely not being forward on anything. That's why you grant immunity, to get the truth!

We didn't. The FBI agents involved know this. Everyone in this sphere knows this.

So in other words ... yes, nothing 'criminal' was found by the FBI. That's the technical statement ... based on 100% political control.

It's just that there are now things that even the community subject matter experts (SMEs), the various Information Assurance (IA) personnel, the leading technologists running various forums and sites, are putting this all together. Because unlike the FBI, they aren't shackled. And in some cases, they are former and, even current, FBI agents, DoD personnel and others. Because Defense surely had their say about Clinton telling them to disregard their clearances.

And the most funny thing yet? Clinton still has her security clearance! W-T-F?!?!?!
 
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If only Trump would give up some of the limelight and let the media focus on this, but nope. Instead he has decided to try and blow-up the GOP.
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The main stream media would never focus on it. They're part of it. Sheeple going to slaughter. Completely mind boggling. The media and Dems control your life and you don't care. You invite more of it.
 
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The main stream media would never focus on it. They're part of it. Sheeple going to slaughter. Completely mind boggling. The media and Dems control your life and you don't care. You invite more of it.
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Sadly, we saw this truth first-hand the week of the first debate.

When the DNC-Clinton team sent down the edict in mid-September on how to attack an opposing candidate, it slowly leaked out via various avenues what falsehoods, and in a few cases, actual libel and slander would be used. It was a pin-pointed attack, in a half-dozen plus battleground states, using the alleged 'independent' $50M of a SuperPAC, combined with US media journalists who are 'impartial.' It hit the week of the debates.

No, I'm not talking about attacks on Trump. I'm talking about the ones on Gary Johnson. Before then we didn't know for sure, just suspected, but didn't know for sure ... who the mouthpieces directly connected to the Clinton campaign were in the media. But then and there, it was now undisputed. 3 weeks of planning to actual distribution.

And still, the focus groups filmed during the debate, were still polling quite well for 3rd party. But the US media decided to report them as 'undecided.' In some cases, they even forged the video, although in more than one case, you'll note people never raised their hand for Trump, Clinton or Undecided.

We'll see what becomes of the watchdog lawsuit against the CPD. All 3rd parties have tried in the past, but this is the first time an independent watchdog is doing it, and they have a lot of objective, impartial ammunition on how CNN and others have purposely 'modified' the polling by removing entire age groups, and refusing to poll 3-way (only 2-way or 4+ way).
 
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/n...-396900691.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DCBrand

Trump's campaign has pulled out of Virginia and is basically only actively campaigning in four states.

The move to pull out of Virginia shows Trump is "running essentially a four state campaign," with the focus now shifting to battlegrounds critical to his chances in November: Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio, a source with knowledge of the decision told NBC News.
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He's going to lose, Walter Mondale style.
 
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Hillary pulled out of Ohio a couple weeks ago. They're both only focusing on a few states. 3-4 swing states will decide the election, the rest will fall to normal party lines.
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Did she? She was there last week.

http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/hillary_clinton_returns_to_the.html
Clinton and the Democrats have built a larger, more-harmonious Ohio operation than Trump and the Republicans have. In Akron, Clinton promised she would return soon.
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Wait?! So what you're saying is that Hillary wasn't careless with her communication, not just ignoring the contracts she signed and requirements of her clearance, but was 'fighting for us' against the government? Oh, that explains everything! She's 'fighting for us' in using a private e-mail server 100%. She had no other reason but to server our interest, and protect us, by doing such, right?

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Thinking Trump may have a point. ABC news tonight: 10 minutes on Trump's sexual accusers and less than 1 minute on Clinton's hacked emails.
 
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An alleged 40 year old sex crime is much more important than evidence of rampant corruption, collusion, bribery, etc etc etc.
 
Bob the Knight said:
An alleged 40 year old sex crime is much more important than evidence of rampant corruption, collusion, bribery, etc etc etc.
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No offense, but both Hillary and Trump did not want to make this election about the actual issues this country has and the plausible solutions that might be possible -- much less only the common left-right rhetoric -- and the US media ensured the 25%+ of Americans who wanted their sex gossip that would be glued to the screen got it. Just look at the Town Hall Debate. It's a joke compared to the original 1992 airing, right down to the planted questions and control.

Both Hillary and Trump are unethical to an extreme, complaining about the unethical or illegal actions when it comes to 'dirt' on themselves, but then their own campaigns and cronies calling for 'dirt' on others, even promising to pay for it and any, resulting legal actions that may result in either contractual or even criminal efforts to get 'dirt.' So ... WTF?! The left-right keep making this about the non-sense they always do, and look like absolute dirtbags as a result.

Meanwhile, there is an actual 3rd party that wants to talk about the real issues, just like Perot did in 1992 that forced the original Town Hall, and he's pretty much a 'Boy Scout' other than pushing for the legalization of drugs. Then again, is weed really bad compared to alcohol? Colorado has proven otherwise, it's actually less of an issue. Because, here's a hint ...

Democrats and Republicans are basically about criminalizing all sorts of things, and just argue over some, while agreeing on others.
 
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So why didn't any of Bill's accusers get this air time? Why is Hillary getting a pass for vowing to discredit them in public?

Why are these videos and allegations coming out now if these women and media had them/knew of it for a long time now?

Why did the media sit on this footage last year during the Republican primary?

Trump is an idiot but it's absolutely true that the media is colluding with the Clintons. They held all of this material, alllwed Trump to win the R nomination, then unleashed it when someone in the Clinton camp said so.

This is an absolute sham election. I see why no one trusts the process in this country.
 
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UCFKnight85 said:
So why didn't any of Bill's accusers get this air time? Why is Hillary getting a pass for vowing to discredit them in public?

Why are these videos and allegations coming out now if these women and media had them/knew of it for a long time now?

Why did the media sit on this footage last year during the Republican primary?

Trump is an idiot but it's absolutely true that the media is colluding with the Clintons. They held all of this material, alllwed Trump to win the R nomination, then unleashed it when someone in the Clinton camp said so.

This is an absolute sham election. I see why no one trusts the process in this country.
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Oh, I don't disagree the timing is not only suspect, but very well orchestrated. The debates are the same. The network news and even CNN are totally taking commands from the DNC. A lot of that is coming out.

But still, what did you expect from Trump? Anyone who has watched him since the '90s new his character. Heck, why do you think he and Bill got along?

Trump disgusted me back in 1996 with Miss America. Yes, she had violated her contract, and sponsors were furious. But he still didn't have to be a dick about it, and he was.

Hillary is Hillary, and the Clintons the Clintons. But Trump was never the answer to career politicians and corruption.
 
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So why didn't any of Bill's accusers get this air time? Why is Hillary getting a pass for vowing to discredit them in public?

Why are these videos and allegations coming out now if these women and media had them/knew of it for a long time now?

Why did the media sit on this footage last year during the Republican primary?

Trump is an idiot but it's absolutely true that the media is colluding with the Clintons. They held all of this material, alllwed Trump to win the R nomination, then unleashed it when someone in the Clinton camp said so.

This is an absolute sham election. I see why no one trusts the process in this country.
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And what if I told you that I was correct when I said earlier this year that Trump was a Hillary plant?
 
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It's pointless because it's been investigated by more committees than 9/11 and still nothing that points to national security having actually been compromised/damaged. I've actually done some reading on both sides and really the deeper you look, the less interesting it gets. So while it was worth looking into and investigation warranted, this should be over and done with lonnnnnnnng ago. And any respectful R candidate I'm sure would have likely moved past it as well to "discuss the real issues" if he was any sort of the candidate worthy of being President.
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No it has not been investigated bemire committees, you have to remember that the investigation arm of the government in this case was the FBI not the U.S. House and the FBI was clearly on the take for the democrats. This too has been proven and why many career FBI people say what the Director did has damaged the FBI critically. The reason nothing came of the emails is because the FBI did not want to find anything. Tell me this, why on earth do you give immunity to all the parties involved in the Clinton inner circle but get nothing in return and then agree to destroy their personal computers(which are not technically personal as soon as ONE top secret email is found on it, it becomes government property at that point) for the people you just gave immunity to? Tell me why the Attorney General met with Bill Clinton on a plane for nearly an hour? Emails have been leaked that showed the Justice Department communicating with the Clinton campaign about timing of investigations. Also tell me why Hillary's interview with the FBI did not raise more concerns with them after she said she "could not recall" 40 times to their questions? Why did Hillary and her staffers destroy 13 phones or iPads?

One could go on and on but if you think there was nothing there than you don't deserve to vote because you simply don't understand anything about character or morals.
 
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