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The Trump Coup Attempt

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COUP - Noun. An illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power from a government. What part of this definition doesn't describe what Donald Trump has been doing since the election?

A true diehard Trump supporter MIGHT have been justified in supporting Trump's post-election shenanigans given the closeness of the vote in Pennsylvania and a few other states. But after Wisconsin....and Michigan.....and Pennsylvania...and Georgia....and Arizona all confirmed -- and audited -- reconfirmed -- and recently certified -- their votes, what's this still about?

Since Biden won, Trump voters have been bombarded by Trump and his right wing media enablers that this election was rife with "rampant voter fraud." But while the lawsuits have been a big joke from the very start, the $150 to 170 MILLION the Trump campaign has raised from Chud Nation since the election to fight the good fight is certainly not.

Where do you imagine that money will end up? If there's one thing that's been a consistent pattern throughout Trump's life, it's that he's a con man, through and through.
 
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...it's painfully obvious its whats going on.
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Yep, but just like the poor saps scammed by Trump University, or all the contractors stiffed by Trump's casinos, or investors who lost money on Trump bankruptcies, who gives a crap about the little guy -- or in this case, people's faith in American democracy -- when there's money to be made?
 
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Yep, but just like the poor saps scammed by Trump University, or all the contractors stiffed by Trump's casinos, or investors who lost money on Trump bankruptcies, who gives a crap about the little guy -- or in this case, people's faith in American democracy -- when there's money to be made?
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Unless you donated to it, it's probably not your business.
 
DaShuckster said:
COUP - Noun. An illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power from a government. What part of this definition doesn't describe what Donald Trump has been doing since the election?

A true diehard Trump supporter MIGHT have been justified in supporting Trump's post-election shenanigans given the closeness of the vote in Pennsylvania and a few other states. But after Wisconsin....and Michigan.....and Pennsylvania...and Georgia....and Arizona all confirmed -- and audited -- reconfirmed -- and recently certified -- their votes, what's this still about?

Since Biden won, Trump voters have been bombarded by Trump and his right wing media enablers that this election was rife with "rampant voter fraud." But while the lawsuits have been a big joke from the very start, the $150 to 170 MILLION the Trump campaign has raised from Chud Nation since the election to fight the good fight is certainly not.

Where do you imagine that money will end up? If there's one thing that's been a consistent pattern throughout Trump's life, it's that he's a con man, through and through.
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Whatever. Calls for martial law are totally normal.

 
Take all of the details, numbers, and allegations and then reverse the people. Is there any way that democrat governors would be certifying the results of these elections?
 
This is a great lesson in how a successful coup would have to work in the US. You're not going to see a general seize power. For it to work in America, it has be done in a way that a sympathetic court system could validate it. Logically, how you it be an "illegal" coup if ultimately SCOTUS sided with the coup?

Thus you see all these arguments about how to do it legally. As each pathway closes, you breach a new level of legal re-interpretation to open a new one. Each step normalizing the one to come next. In a vacuum - no one would agree that what happened was legal. But in real time, step by step, otherwise thoughtful people can rationalize it away.

What makes Trump so unique - and dangerous - his refusal to admit defeat. There is no course he won't try IF people will go along with him. Look at Ducey and Kemp. Anything but complete fealty and you are the enemy.
 
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Take all of the details, numbers, and allegations and then reverse the people. Is there any way that democrat governors would be certifying the results of these elections?
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What Kemp, Ducey, and Raffensperger have been faced with is a moral and ethical test. Comey wrote a great op-ed several years back, explaining how working for Donald Trump doesn't test your character, it reveals it. Ultimately, you're going to be faced with a choice - go along with whatever unethical course Trump wants, or be publicly vilified. There is no in between. Like Republicans, if the script was flipped, some would pass and other would fail.
 
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Take all of the details, numbers, and allegations and then reverse the people. Is there any way that democrat governors would be certifying the results of these elections?
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The most compelling argument for fraud - IMO - is large scale anomalies in the vote. BUT it will be incredibly easy to support whatever narrative you want if you have an agenda. Figures lie and liars figure. In big data sets, there will be anomalies. Even anomalies beyond 99% confidence intervals. Thus it's incredibly easy to cherry pick the anomalies that support your argument while failing to even look for the anomalies that would undermine it, and present that as compelling evidence.

For example. Imagine there are 1,000 precincts. I have a statistical study that predicts fraud at the 95% confidence level. If I perform that study on those 1,000 precincts, I would expect 50 false positives. At the 99% confidence level, I would expect 10 false positives. I can cherry pick my favorite ones and say "the data suggests there is a 95% chance of fraud in these precincts."

If I really have an agenda, I'll design a test that's not even fair in the first place, biased to picking counties with extreme vote differences EVEN if those differences are consistent with prior elections. I'll also only run the tests to detect D fraud in D counties, while failing to control the test by checking for R fraud in R counties.

If I'm a true-believer going in (versus someone truly rational and data driven), this kind of biasing can happen unintentionally. It's so easy to gloss over the stuff that didn't support your narrative, and focus in on the one that did. Tested 50 approaches looking for fraud and 1 worked? Just focus on that 1 and don't bother telling anyone about all the approaches that failed.
 
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Boosted87 said:
The most compelling argument for fraud - IMO - is large scale anomalies in the vote. BUT it will be incredibly easy to support whatever narrative you want if you have an agenda. Figures lie and liars figure. In big data sets, there will be anomalies. Even anomalies beyond 99% confidence intervals. Thus it's incredibly easy to cherry pick the anomalies that support your argument while failing to even look for the anomalies that would undermine it, and present that as compelling evidence.

For example. Imagine there are 1,000 precincts. I have a statistical study that predicts fraud at the 95% confidence level. If I perform that study on those 1,000 precincts, I would expect 50 false positives. At the 99% confidence level, I would expect 10 false positives. I can cherry pick my favorite ones and say "the data suggests there is a 95% chance of fraud in these precincts."

If I really have an agenda, I'll design a test that's not even fair in the first place, biased to picking counties with extreme vote differences EVEN if those differences are consistent with prior elections. I'll also only run the tests to detect D fraud in D counties, while failing to control the test by checking for R fraud in R counties.

If I'm a true-believer going in (versus someone truly rational and data driven), this kind of biasing can happen unintentionally. It's so easy to gloss over the stuff that didn't support your narrative, and focus in on the one that did. Tested 50 approaches looking for fraud and 1 worked? Just focus on that 1 and don't bother telling anyone about all the approaches that failed.
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Fair enough. My only question about it is "are there anomalies on the other side that would validate them?" For example, are there individual districts or counties where Trump outperformed a segment of the vote that is comparable to what we've seen in the 4 or 5 cities in question on the other side? If so, is there historical precedent to indicate the result is out of the realm of probability?
 
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The lawsuits filed on the day before thanksgiving seem to be the meat of the arguments. There is some pretty interesting claims made by some very well educated and experienced people regarding the voting machines. There is also a pretty good argument that Georgia’s changes to voting rules were illegal. Some of the claims seem far out there, but others probably deserve to be argued in court.

I get that most news organization handle these claims by ignoring them or just writing them off as conspire theories, but those are also the organizations that refused to say anything bad about Biden while damning very move Trump made. I hate the fact that I’ve become a de facto Trump apologist(the guy is a grotesque asshole), but the way information is filtered though propaganda machines is absurd. they don’t deal in arguments, they either ignore something, ridicule it or bombard people with inane talking points until they become “truth.”
 
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The lawsuits filed on the day before thanksgiving seem to be the meat of the arguments. There is some pretty interesting claims made by some very well educated and experienced people regarding the voting machines. There is also a pretty good argument that Georgia’s changes to voting rules were illegal. Some of the claims seem far out there, but others probably deserve to be argued in court.

I get that most news organization handle these claims by ignoring them or just writing them off as conspire theories, but those are also the organizations that refused to say anything bad about Biden while damning very move Trump made. I hate the fact that I’ve become a de facto Trump apologist(the guy is a grotesque asshole), but the way information is filtered though propaganda machines is absurd. they don’t deal in arguments, they either ignore something, ridicule it or bombard people with inane talking points until they become “truth.”
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I dont understand how anything less than 100% of people would agree with this.
 
Crazyhole said:
Fair enough. My only question about it is "are there anomalies on the other side that would validate them?" For example, are there individual districts or counties where Trump outperformed a segment of the vote that is comparable to what we've seen in the 4 or 5 cities in question on the other side? If so, is there historical precedent to indicate the result is out of the realm of probability?
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Well let's see if there are any real anomalies first. Let's look at Detroit since that's been a big focus. Trump added ~5,200 votes to his 2016 total, going from 7,682 to 12,889. Biden added 6,065 votes to Clinton's total, going from 234,871 to 240,936.

On a raw percentage basis, Trump IMPROVED in Detroit by almost 2% in the two-party vote share.

If you just stop there - it's hard to see Detroit as an anomaly. I don't care what order the votes were counted, who was allowed in the room, or whether or not the signatures matched - it's highly consistent with 2016 with a a slight overperformance by Trump. He did not lose Michigan this time because of Detroit.

And Obama dramatically outperformed Clinton/Biden in both of his winning cycles. So if Detroit is doing a bunch of fraud for Democrats, they are getting worse at it every 4 years.

If you look more broadly at Wayne County (where Detroit is) Biden did most of his work in the suburbs. While he netted an extra ~800 votes out of Detroit vs Hillary, he netted over 42,000 additional votes county wide. Turnout was up in Detroit, but not nearly as much as the rest of the county or state.

Trump won Michigan by 10,000 votes in 2016. Biden won Michigan by 150,000 votes. Of that 160,000 vote swing, the city of Detroit contributed 800 votes - or 0.5% of the statewide swing.

Biden didn't win Michigan because of Detroit. He won it because the ENTIRE state moved towards him. If you browse county by county, Biden consistently outperforms Hillary by 1-2% on vote-share. It's hard to find counties where Trump beat Biden by a greater percentage than he beat Hillary except for some tiny rural ones.

Official Detroit data at link below.

Election Results | City of Detroit

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LMAO. It's all a giant scheme by Donald. He knows he lost. He hates the fact that he lost and now he's going pick fly shit out of the pepper and scream "FRAUDDDD!!!" And he's doing all of this so he can announce his 2024 candidacy on 20 January 2021. I don't understand how people can't see right through this.

And this makes it real interesting for those on the right who were interested in running in 2024--folks who have a real shot like Nikki Haley or Tom Cotton. They have to walk a fine line, however, not to piss off the Trump nuthuggers who are going to be livid for the next 4 years. I wonder if and when at that point the people running for the nomination will take him on or let him waltz back to the top. Hard to say.
 
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I dont understand how anything less than 100% of people would agree with this.
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Because you can't normalize a "throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks" disinformation campaign. You can't normalize a "change the rules after the election if you lose" rationale.

I've got NO PROBLEM with all of this stuff when it's meant as a check on the system. Investigate the crap out of this going forward and there will be new elections in the future. But when you couple it with calls for martial law and a re-vote? Nah. You're just a radicalized extremist at that point.
 
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COUP - Noun. An illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power from a government. What part of this definition doesn't describe what Donald Trump has been doing since the election?

A true diehard Trump supporter MIGHT have been justified in supporting Trump's post-election shenanigans given the closeness of the vote in Pennsylvania and a few other states. But after Wisconsin....and Michigan.....and Pennsylvania...and Georgia....and Arizona all confirmed -- and audited -- reconfirmed -- and recently certified -- their votes, what's this still about?

Since Biden won, Trump voters have been bombarded by Trump and his right wing media enablers that this election was rife with "rampant voter fraud." But while the lawsuits have been a big joke from the very start, the $150 to 170 MILLION the Trump campaign has raised from Chud Nation since the election to fight the good fight is certainly not.

Where do you imagine that money will end up? If there's one thing that's been a consistent pattern throughout Trump's life, it's that he's a con man, through and through.
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It pretty well also describes what the dems were doing with collusion hoax. There is nothing illegal happening as of today, just like nothing illegal was done with Al Gore a few years back. Biden as of today is nothing,
 
Boosted87 said:
Because you can't normalize a "throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks" disinformation campaign. You can't normalize a "change the rules after the election if you lose" rationale.

I've got NO PROBLEM with all of this stuff when it's meant as a check on the system. Investigate the crap out of this going forward and there will be new elections in the future. But when you couple it with calls for martial law and a re-vote? Nah. You're just a radicalized extremist at that point.
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The vast majority of people would probably agree with this. I know I do. At this point, accept that what we have is what we get but if there is a way to ensure we don't go through the same thing again, do it 100% even if that means a year from now we find out that Biden did actually win a fraudulent election.
 
Crazyhole said:
The vast majority of people would probably agree with this. I know I do. At this point, accept that what we have is what we get but if there is a way to ensure we don't go through the same thing again, do it 100% even if that means a year from now we find out that Biden did actually win a fraudulent election.
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The only thing we are going through is having a president not being able to accept he lost. This is all about Trump's ego (and the fact they are fundraising off of it). We arent going through anything. And by the way, Bill Barr just came out now and said the justice dept has found no evidence of voter fraud. When Trump has even lost Barr, you know it's a done deal.
 
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Because you can't normalize a "throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks" disinformation campaign. You can't normalize a "change the rules after the election if you lose" rationale.

I've got NO PROBLEM with all of this stuff when it's meant as a check on the system. Investigate the crap out of this going forward and there will be new elections in the future. But when you couple it with calls for martial law and a re-vote? Nah. You're just a radicalized extremist at that point.
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So what are your thoughts on this:



We have heard this same thing from a bunch of people in several states, claiming that large numbers of ballots were delivered in the middle of the night. Maybe there is a legitimate explanation for it, but I can't find it. The USPS isn't going to make a delivery at 3 or 4AM. Where did these ballots come from, where were they being stored, and why did they show up in the middle of the night?
 
Cubs79 said:
The only thing we are going through is having a president not being able to accept he lost. This is all about Trump's ego (and the fact they are fundraising off of it). We arent going through anything. And by the way, Bill Barr just came out now and said the justice dept has found no evidence of voter fraud. When Trump has even lost Barr, you know it's a done deal.
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The irony here is that anyone would have actually thought that Trump "had" Barr. The 2 have been at odds many times, but the left has acted like he was just a Trump lackey.
 
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The irony here is that anyone would have actually thought that Trump "had" Barr. The 2 have been at odds many times, but the left has acted like he was just a Trump lackey.
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Yeah, they had a big falling out when Barr refused Trump's calls to arrest Biden three weeks before the election.
And now, Barr sees no election fraud?

Yeah, this guy really grew a backbone once the writing was on the wall. :)
 
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COUP - Noun. An illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power from a government. What part of this definition doesn't describe what Donald Trump has been doing since the election?

A true diehard Trump supporter MIGHT have been justified in supporting Trump's post-election shenanigans given the closeness of the vote in Pennsylvania and a few other states. But after Wisconsin....and Michigan.....and Pennsylvania...and Georgia....and Arizona all confirmed -- and audited -- reconfirmed -- and recently certified -- their votes, what's this still about?

Since Biden won, Trump voters have been bombarded by Trump and his right wing media enablers that this election was rife with "rampant voter fraud." But while the lawsuits have been a big joke from the very start, the $150 to 170 MILLION the Trump campaign has raised from Chud Nation since the election to fight the good fight is certainly not.

Where do you imagine that money will end up? If there's one thing that's been a consistent pattern throughout Trump's life, it's that he's a con man, through and through.
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Con man and a fkn criminal
 
DaShuckster said:
Yeah, they had a big falling out when Barr refused Trump's calls to arrest Biden three weeks before the election.
And now, Barr sees no election fraud?

Yeah, this guy really grew a backbone once the writing was one the wall. :)
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Barr is more of a criminal than FRUMP, well ok maybe not.
 
Cubs79 said:
The only thing we are going through is having a president not being able to accept he lost. This is all about Trump's ego (and the fact they are fundraising off of it). We arent going through anything. And by the way, Bill Barr just came out now and said the justice dept has found no evidence of voter fraud. When Trump has even lost Barr, you know it's a done deal.
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Honestly, Barr is trash also. Don't trust him as far as I could through the ft bastard
 
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firm_bizzle said:
There are only two options at this point.
1.) Trump remains as president
2.) Civil War

Choose wisely.
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It's the height of irony that many 'good ole boys' across the country would respond to your question by saying, "Thank God for the Second Amendment!" as if that's the only aspect of the US Constitution that matters.
 
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Easily the most damning and credible witness to date



Good lord, imagine being this girls husband.
 





Kind of comes back to the same question. If there are 6, 10, 20 weeks of early voting why would so many ballots show up all at one time? Were they not being collected from the drop boxes regularly? If they were, where were they stored prior to delivery at the polling places?
 
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Kind of comes back to the same question. If there are 6, 10, 20 weeks of early voting why would so many ballots show up all at one time? Were they not being collected from the drop boxes regularly? If they were, where were they stored prior to delivery at the polling places?
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Lol. These didn’t detail a single concrete case of fraud.
 
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