And even more people are saying there is no evidence of it, so just believe what you want. Obviously the goal here is to essentially make elections meaningless. You arent going to succeed this time, but who knows, in the future maybe you guys can succeed essentially destroying one of the foundations of our country.
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And even more people are saying there is no evidence of it, so just believe what you want. Obviously the goal here is to essentially make elections meaningless. You arent going to succeed this time, but who knows, in the future maybe you guys can succeed essentially destroying one of the foundations of our country.
You can wow it all you want, but that is precisely what is going on, and deep down I think you know it.
Provide evidence that more people are saying there is no evidence, since that is the standard you are going with.
Dude, Bill Barr, Trump supporting governors and Sec of states, election officials, judges are saying they havent shown any evidence, etc etc are all saying that. So are Trump supporters and Bill Barr and our judges also part of this massive conspiracy?
denying video evidence and first-hand witness accounts is beyond being a skeptic.
pray tell, what is your standard for evidence?
So thats like 30 people and none of them were witnesses to any of the stuff that is being alleged. Find me 1 for 1 witnesses on these claims that dispute them, otherwise you are going on blind faith, not evidence.
My standard of evidence is something that doesnt get thrown out by basically every court it is presented before.
Good God this country is dumb. You dont understand how evidence works. You are making the claim there was fraud, you prove it. That is how it works. Regardless, this is about as productive as arguing with a Qanon fukwit, so have it and believe all your nonsense conspiracy theories. Biden won, everyone with an ounce of sense knows that, and that is all I care about.
oh so now yall like Bill Barr?
Barr: Russian Collusion Probe Into Trump "One Of The Greatest Travesties In American History"
Attorney General said the FBI's Russian collusion counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign was one of the "greatest travesties in American history." In an interview with FNC's Laura Ingraham, Barr said the investigation was started "without any basis" and what happened after the...
Cool, let me know how that turns out. I am sure it will blow my mind.
oh so now yall like Bill Barr?
Barr: Russian Collusion Probe Into Trump "One Of The Greatest Travesties In American History"
Attorney General said the FBI's Russian collusion counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign was one of the "greatest travesties in American history." In an interview with FNC's Laura Ingraham, Barr said the investigation was started "without any basis" and what happened after the...www.realclearpolitics.com
Like him? No. But why would he be lying about something that doesnt benefit him at all and essentially ends his career? Explain that logic to me.
"I don't understand your point. He (whoever it is) became a whistleblower when he thought there was wrong doing that people needed to know about. That isn't a coincidence, that is how whistleblowing works.
Do you think all of the other people who have now testified before congress are liars too? Is this a conspiracy against the president?" -cubs
Why was 1 anonymous whistle blower enough in this case to you, but hundreds of people signing affidavits and testifying should be dismissed?
Do you think all of the other people who have now testified before congress are liars too? Is this a conspiracy against the president?" -cubs
Why was 1 anonymous whistle blower enough in this case to you, but hundreds of people signing affidavits and testifying should be dismissed?
They weren't dismissed, you are pretending it hasn't been looked into. Do you think the election should be over turned because of these 100 people?
No, and that's the exact false equivalency I'm trying to point out here. Why was Julie Swetniks claims of there being rape gangs 35 years ago that Kavanaugh was involved in enough for people to call for an investigation? Why is an anonymous whistle-blower enough to start an impeachment hearing? And conversely, why within days of it happening hundreds of witnesses to what appears to be voter fraud are people willing to dismiss them out of hand? There is no logic behind that, only bias.
its not evidence you care about, just admit it.
tsk tsk, now Netflix is your credible source of evidence?
"evidence"
Again, you are pretending they weren't look into. So what is your desired result?
It's cute you think bringing up stuff that is a totally different topic, is somehow relevant here.
thats exactly the point. when the accusation is wrongdoing on behalf of the right, you will buy buy into anything and everything.
its cute that you're too dumb to understand why people would compare two things in order to make a conclusion of moral consistency
My desired result is that Biden is seated as president, and then after a thorough investigation happens, sometime in April or May it is proven that voter fraud directly led to his election and he's an illegitimate president, that way he has to answer questions about it. Thats the kind of political drama this country deserves.
No it ****ing doesn't. Why do some people have such a hard time with basic logic?
Every claim should be discredited until there is evidence to support that claim. That isn't bias. That is logic.
So true. But have you seen ANY logic on display here recently? This place has literally become Looney Tunes.
Imagine you took a bunch of die-hard USF fans and let them serve as "recruiting observers" of UCF's athletic department. Imagine also if USF fans had been told by their President and AD for the last year that all UCF does is cheat. And then, when recruiting was over and our class is better than USF's, their coach is on twitter every day telling the fan base they only lost the recruiting war because of "rampant cheating" at UCF. At that point, how credible would you deem the "sworn affidavits" of that particular group of biased die-hard USFers? Particularly when there exist neutral observers who do not support those claims?
From that perspective, these are all biased individuals who showed up with the preconceived idea they were going to witness cheating. It's like the jealous boyfriend who sees every single interaction between his girlfriend and another male as evidence she is cheating on him.
Now, you can say I'm being biased and constructing an alternative explanation. While I don't believe I'm being biased, I am indeed creating an alternative explanation. But is it really less believable than what Rudy and crew have proposed we believe? That there is an international conspiracy of historical proportions, involving thousands of people nationwide, including elected Republicans?
Lesson in Credibility: The Trump who Cried Fraud
Trump in 2016: Ted Cruz Stole Iowa!
Trump in 2016: Hillary only won the popular vote because fraud!
Trump in 2020: The only way I can lose is if they cheat. And they're going to cheat.
Trump after he loses: They cheated!
Maybe Trump is the boy who cried wolf. Maybe this time he's actually right. But guess what? He's already spoiled his credibility. We all KNEW he was going to say fraud regardless of whether or not that was actually true.
While that doesn't impact the standard for "proof", it certainly impacts how seriously you take accusations being delivered by him and his team. This message is not coming from a place of credibility.
Trump in 2016: Ted Cruz Stole Iowa!
Trump in 2016: Hillary only won the popular vote because fraud!
Trump in 2020: The only way I can lose is if they cheat. And they're going to cheat.
Trump after he loses: They cheated!
Maybe Trump is the boy who cried wolf. Maybe this time he's actually right. But guess what? He's already spoiled his credibility. We all KNEW he was going to say fraud regardless of whether or not that was actually true.
While that doesn't impact the standard for "proof", it certainly impacts how seriously you take accusations being delivered by him and his team. This message is not coming from a place of credibility.
Imagine believing a nut job who claimed it was sunny weather at his inaugurations when it rained.
You people chose a pathological liar as your hill to die on, and you look like goddamn traitors.
You people chose a pathological liar as your hill to die on, and you look like goddamn traitors.
I know it is asking entirely too much from our inbred crowd, but I ask this: Take a step back and at least try to think critically for a second.
Trump had some of the absolute worst approval ratings of any president in recent history. He was polling 10 points behind biden in all the polls leading up to the election.
Why in the ever loving hell do you think he won this election? No one liked him except a small percentage of your fellow cult members. Do you people have even a shred of critical thinking?
Trump had some of the absolute worst approval ratings of any president in recent history. He was polling 10 points behind biden in all the polls leading up to the election.
Why in the ever loving hell do you think he won this election? No one liked him except a small percentage of your fellow cult members. Do you people have even a shred of critical thinking?
So I'm not going to even argue that the interpretation below (provided by Republicans in Georgia to a Fox News reporter) is correct. But the video in question is evidence of nothing in a vacuum. It's only the narrative around it that creates the impression of something nefarious.
Interesting article. Republican congressman who got primaried so now he's willing to actually say what he believes. Good analogy in here about BigFoot Hunting and those searching for election conspiracies...
news.yahoo.com
Republican lawmaker likens Trump vote-fraud crusade to the search for Bigfoot
U.S. Rep. Denver Riggleman, R-Va., told the Yahoo News "Skullduggery" podcast that President Trump's supporters claiming voter fraud share a lot in common with the people searching for Bigfoot.
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It is still suspect that they sent the challengers and media away, then sat around for thirty minutes, pull these cases(suitcase or whatever) out and scan for another two hours. Why? It’s illegal in Georgia to process ballots without the appropriate people present and I’m sure the lady there knew that. the tweet above just skirts the question of why they waited until that time to use those cases. Maybe it is innocent. It’s still illegal what they did.
But everything you're saying is based on the Rudy and crew narrative. Georgia election officials disagree. Rudy shared a 90 second snippet. Georgia Officials watched hours of video and are responding.
Bottom line - to the experts and GA investigators who know what they processes are, nothing is out of the ordinary. Some people interpreted the end of the opening/verification step of process as the end of the process - it wasn't, they still needed to be counted. Observers were allowed to be present, but they left. GA law does not require they be present, only that they have the right to be present.
Read the whole thing but here are some excerpts:
Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia's voting system implementation manager, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020 that what can be seen on the video is normal procedure and nothing looks "bizarre or odd."
Election workers known as "cutters" because their job was to open absentee ballot envelopes and verify ballots for eventual scanning and counting were dismissed for the night sometime after 10 p.m. on November 3, 2020, because their work for the evening had been completed, he explained. Those workers who remained were responsible for conducting the scanning portion of the process, since ballots could not be left without being scanned overnight. He said: "If you look at the video tape, the work you see is the work you would expect, which is you take the sealed suitcase looking things in, you place the ballots on the scanner in manageable batches and you scan them. "
Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table.
She said: "There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table. "
There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left.
"Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working. "
Section § 21-2-408 of the Code Of Georgia, which addresses poll watchers, explains that political bodies and parties are "entitled" to have official poll watchers. The secretary of state's chief counsel told Lead Stories it was not a requirement that observers be present for counting to continue -- only that it is their right to be there is they choose.
Fact Check: Video From Georgia Does NOT Show Suitcases Filled With Ballots Suspiciously Pulled From Under A Table; Poll Watchers Were NOT Told To Leave | Lead Stories
By Alan Duke and Hallie Golden Does security camera video show a Fulton County, Georgia, election supervisor suspiciously pulling suitcases...
leadstories.com
I didn’t watch Rudy, I watched the lady who did the presentation for the Georgia Senate. part of the above is, according to the challengers, untrue.But everything you're saying is based on the Rudy and crew narrative. Georgia election officials disagree. Rudy shared a 90 second snippet. Georgia Officials watched hours of video and are responding.
Bottom line - to the experts and GA investigators who know what they processes are, nothing is out of the ordinary. Some people interpreted the end of the opening/verification step of process as the end of the process - it wasn't, they still needed to be counted. Observers were allowed to be present, but they left. GA law does not require they be present, only that they have the right to be present.
Read the whole thing but here are some excerpts:
Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia's voting system implementation manager, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020 that what can be seen on the video is normal procedure and nothing looks "bizarre or odd."
Election workers known as "cutters" because their job was to open absentee ballot envelopes and verify ballots for eventual scanning and counting were dismissed for the night sometime after 10 p.m. on November 3, 2020, because their work for the evening had been completed, he explained. Those workers who remained were responsible for conducting the scanning portion of the process, since ballots could not be left without being scanned overnight. He said: "If you look at the video tape, the work you see is the work you would expect, which is you take the sealed suitcase looking things in, you place the ballots on the scanner in manageable batches and you scan them. "Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table.She said: "There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table. "There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left."Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working. "Section § 21-2-408 of the Code Of Georgia, which addresses poll watchers, explains that political bodies and parties are "entitled" to have official poll watchers. The secretary of state's chief counsel told Lead Stories it was not a requirement that observers be present for counting to continue -- only that it is their right to be there is they choose.
Fact Check: Video From Georgia Does NOT Show Suitcases Filled With Ballots Suspiciously Pulled From Under A Table; Poll Watchers Were NOT Told To Leave | Lead Stories
By Alan Duke and Hallie Golden Does security camera video show a Fulton County, Georgia, election supervisor suspiciously pulling suitcases...
Does this cut include the woman saying all Chinese people look alike and/or Rudy's fart right in the middle of his testimony?
The video itself is meaningless without context. This isn't like a murder or a bank robbery. Give zero context and show someone CCTV of a someone robbing a 7/11 and it's pretty obvious what's happening. With this video, most people wouldn't even realize this is vote counting. Only an expert at the rules and regs of what's supposed to be happening here can credibly assess if something unusual is happening.
So to both you and I, we need context to understand the video. As of yesterday, we only had the "this is fraud!" narrative. Today we have a competing narrative provided by Republican state officials. Now you can assess both, determine who is more credible, and go from there.
The part I fundamentally do not understand about this narrative that Dominion machines are flipping votes in GA.
Georgia has been through a hand audit/recount. If votes were being flipped in software, the hand-recount would detect it. Functionally, that's a full proof method to verify the integrity of the counting machines - right?
Read through Marc Caputo's thread. Election supervisor in this small county - that Trump won 2:1 - says it's all bogus. So again, if this conspiracy is real, then deep Red republican lead counties are in on it.
Georgia has been through a hand audit/recount. If votes were being flipped in software, the hand-recount would detect it. Functionally, that's a full proof method to verify the integrity of the counting machines - right?
Read through Marc Caputo's thread. Election supervisor in this small county - that Trump won 2:1 - says it's all bogus. So again, if this conspiracy is real, then deep Red republican lead counties are in on it.
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