Toxic Masulinity

[KnighttimeJoe]

The whole point of advertising is trying to tell you to do/buy things you may or may not need.

Exactly. And it should start and stop there. I don’t need a morality lesson along the way.

Kind of like ESPN. People want to watch sports, not hear dope smoking, assault with a deadly weapon, domestic violence asshat randy moss preach politics and ethics.

 

[Husk in butt]

Ironically Gillette is now getting backlash from females. They say the female versions of razors are more expensive causing a pink tax.

Lol

 

[DaShuckster]

The difference of opinion is easily explained. The "commercial paints all men bad" crowd see themselves in some of the behaviors portrayed and have taken offense.

As far as Gillette is concerned, the commercial is a home run. The butt-hurt guys who've made this ad controversial have given the company more free publicity and PR mileage out of the ad than they could have ever hoped for.

 

[Husk in butt]

The difference of opinion is easily explained. The "commercial paints all men bad" crowd see themselves in some of the behaviors portrayed and have taken offense.

As far as Gillette is concerned, the commercial is a home run. The butt-hurt guys who've made this ad controversial have given the company more free publicity and PR mileage out of the ad than they could have ever hoped for.

Nah....now women are pissed because their razors are more expensive.

Btw, I don't hang around with any males exhibiting bad behavior. That is a stretch and btw I'm only annoyed because the sterotyping. I don't hang around with low life's.

You wouldn't see the same ad asking Muslim men to change their standard views towards women. You wouldn't stereotype gays as an ad. You wouldn't see Gillette make the same ad towards women. 40% of domestic violence is against men. Probably 50% since there is shame for guys reporting it.

 

[UCFKnight85]

What’s hilarious is that liberals bitch, moan, and cry over corporate America and constantly demean evil corporations, yet here are demanding that we all bow down to the moral pontification from corporate America



It’s just too much. Too much.

 

[UCFWayne]

Ironically Gillette is now getting backlash from females. They say the female versions of razors are more expensive causing a pink tax.

Lol

this is very true. ive known women to buy the guy versions of the exact same razor just to save money.

 

[sk8knight]

this is very true. ive known women to buy the guy versions of the exact same razor just to save money.

My wife started doing this but switched back because she likes the women’s razors better. There’s a reason for this; the razor companies spend time designing features that appeal to women. Such as building a razor that is less likely to nick and cut the skin. For some reason, women like that much less than men. Supposedly, those blades also are built to work better with angles and sight lines when shaving legs. Women don’t shave as often as men and their hair is different, necessitating more features on the blade housing. Not shaving as much also means they buy less refills, which means less volume for the sellers.

So add all of that up and you’ll find very simple economic reasons why women’s blades are more expensive.

But screw it, SJW rules the day and razor companies are sexist.

 

[bqknight]

I still can't believe some of you have an issue with this ad.

Everything that happens in that ad still happens today. Women are demeaned in the workplace, catcalled on the streets. People are bullied.

All the ad is saying is be a better person. Don't make excuses for it.

How is that wrong?

 

[chemmie]

I still can't believe some of you have an issue with this ad.

Everything that happens in that ad still happens today. Women are demeaned in the workplace, catcalled on the streets. People are bullied.

All the ad is saying is be a better person. Don't make excuses for it.

How is that wrong?

It isn't wrong. Some people just don't like change.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I still can't believe some of you have an issue with this ad.

Everything that happens in that ad still happens today. Women are demeaned in the workplace, catcalled on the streets. People are bullied.

All the ad is saying is be a better person. Don't make excuses for it.

How is that wrong?

And I still can't believe some people don't understand that men may just have an issue with a corporation using an ad to insinuate that men in general are "problematic".

Do you really think that the average man in America needs Gillette to tell them that it's wrong to molest a woman? That's where we're at here. It's pathetically insulting to the character of the millions of men who don't participate in ANY of this behavior yet get lumped in anyway under "boys will be boys!".

 

[UCFWayne]

And I still can't believe some people don't understand that men may just have an issue with a corporation using an ad to insinuate that men in general are "problematic".

Do you really think that the average man in America needs Gillette to tell them that it's wrong to molest a woman? That's where we're at here. It's pathetically insulting to the character of the millions of men who don't participate in ANY of this behavior yet get lumped in anyway under "boys will be boys!".

almost like people dont like getting lumped in with a negative stereotype...

 

[Husk in butt]

almost like people dont like getting lumped in with a negative stereotype...

I would feel the same way if there was a negative ad towards women in the same manner. 40% of domestic violence is against men, but there isn't a need to have an ad telling women to be better.

I also don't see anyone I hang out with whistling at females or anything in the workplace.

It would be the equivalent of having an ad directed at Muslims to be better. You wouldn't accept that ad.

 

[fried-chicken]

I would feel the same way if there was a negative ad towards women in the same manner. 40% of domestic violence is against men, but there isn't a need to have an ad telling women to be better.

I also don't see anyone I hang out with whistling at females or anything in the workplace.

It would be the equivalent of having an ad directed at Muslims to be better. You wouldn't accept that ad.

I don't start forest fires but I don't rage at Smokey the Bear telling me not to.

 

[fried-chicken]

And I still can't believe some people don't understand that men may just have an issue with a corporation using an ad to insinuate that men in general are "problematic".

Do you really think that the average man in America needs Gillette to tell them that it's wrong to molest a woman? That's where we're at here. It's pathetically insulting to the character of the millions of men who don't participate in ANY of this behavior yet get lumped in anyway under "boys will be boys!".

I don't litter but I somehow control my rage when I see an ad on TV that reminds me to recycle. What happened to you to make you this way? Get a grip.

 

[Husk in butt]

I don't litter but I somehow control my rage when I see an ad on TV that reminds me to recycle. What happened to you to make you this way? Get a grip.

No the equivalent would be stereotyping a specific group because they will likely litter.

 

[Happy Hands]

Why are men still shaving anyway? A beard is a sign of manhood and virility. It separates us from childhood and submissiveness. I've had a beard most of my adult life and I've never bullied anyone, tried to rape anyone, encouraged children to fight, sexually harassed anyone or told a random girl to smile. Companies that make cheap plastic razors in China, can take their college level "men are the problem" ideologies and **** right off.

 

[fried-chicken]

No the equivalent would be stereotyping a specific group because they will likely litter.

Toxic masculinity can only apply to the group they targeted so I mean, it would be a little weird if they targeted women don't you think?

 

[fried-chicken]

Why are men still shaving anyway? A beard is a sign of manhood and virility. It separates us from childhood and submissiveness. I've had a beard most of my adult life and I've never bullied anyone, tried to rape anyone, encouraged children to fight, sexually harassed anyone or told a random girl to smile. Companies that make cheap plastic razors in China, can take their college level "men are the problem" ideologies and **** right off.

I've never abused an animal so the humane society can **** right off with their commercials!

 

[Husk in butt]

Toxic masculinity can only apply to the group they targeted so I mean, it would be a little weird if they targeted women don't you think?

Gillette makes female razors. Will they make a similar ad because some have bad behavior. I don't think so. Did you know that the millennial age group women are likely to cheat more than men? You wouldn't see an ad targeting the toxic feminism. Why won't they direct an ad at Muslim men where the gender is a bigger issue. Because it isn't pc. Stereotyping with anything is wrong.

 

[Husk in butt]

I've never abused an animal so the humane society can **** right off with their commercials!

How about if that humane society ad was directed at a minority group to tell them in particular to not beat their dogs or have them in dog fighting. Mike Vick...

That wouldn't fly. Not everyone else's fault that Mike Vick is a pos.

 

[Happy Hands]

How about if that humane society ad was directed at a minority group to tell them in particular to not beat their dogs or have them in dog fighting. Mike Vick...

That wouldn't fly. Not everyone else's fault that Mike Vick is a pos.

Was*. He has come a long way and learned the hard way.

But if humane society created a commercial that said men are abusing animals "but now some are doing something about it" it would be equally accusatory. How things are said create implications and the way the Gillette commercial was written implies that most men (or manhood) are the problem. There are a thousand ways to write the commercial that sends the same message about what being a man really means. They chose a way that plays well for people with brains that run like Twitter.

 

[bqknight]

How about if that humane society ad was directed at a minority group to tell them in particular to not beat their dogs or have them in dog fighting. Mike Vick...

That wouldn't fly. Not everyone else's fault that Mike Vick is a pos.

Men are not a minority group.

There are ads that tell women to be good to each other. Dove is an example - it's typically a theme within their advertising.

There's anti-bullying ads aimed at teens quite frequently.

This isn't new. It isn't lumping everyone together. If you don't partake in these behaviors, great! Then you're doing exactly what Gilette is saying to do. However, there's still people - and plenty of them - that partake in these behaviors.

 

[Knight_Light]

Some were "triggered" by Wichita State fans last night when they kept flashing this to the cameramen who seem to show them all the time:

 

[sk8knight]

Men are not a minority group.

There are ads that tell women to be good to each other. Dove is an example - it's typically a theme within their advertising.

There's anti-bullying ads aimed at teens quite frequently.

This isn't new. It isn't lumping everyone together. If you don't partake in these behaviors, great! Then you're doing exactly what Gilette is saying to do. However, there's still people - and plenty of them - that partake in these behaviors.

Minority or not is irrelevant. If it’s wrong to pass judgment based on stereotypes, then it’s wrong. No matter which group is the target.

 

[Husk in butt]

Minority or not is irrelevant. If it’s wrong to pass judgment based on stereotypes, then it’s wrong. No matter which group is the target.

Exactly

 

[bqknight]

Minority or not is irrelevant. If it’s wrong to pass judgment based on stereotypes, then it’s wrong. No matter which group is the target.

The stuff in the commercial happens! If you don't do it - it's not aimed at you. It's literally saying that the people who do that sh!t, shouldn't and other men should hold each other accountable for when they witness it.

How do you guys not get that?

 

[fried-chicken]

Minority or not is irrelevant. If it’s wrong to pass judgment based on stereotypes, then it’s wrong. No matter which group is the target.

Who should they target on the issue of toxic masculinity?

Just curious is you're really upset that they targeted men over this issue or if you just don't like the issue.

 

[Husk in butt]

Who should they target on the issue of toxic masculinity?

Just curious is you're really upset that they targeted men over this issue or if you just don't like the issue.

I guess that is problem. You're targeting some buzz word for all men are bad campaign. I've already showed with cheating and 40% domestic violence against men exists. There is still no reason to start a Venus razor ad telling women they suck and be better.

It clearly has a negative connotation towards all men. They could of spun the ad to thanking all the dad's for the work they do to mold their kids, provide food, etc. Then say something about men and women being kinder towards each other.

 

[DaShuckster]

Anyone who knows anything about advertising knows that this Gillette commercial was a huge win for the company. Whether it’s Budweiser, UCF, or Gillette, the more your brand name is mentioned outside of a specific ad campaign, the more free advertising you’re getting. And we’re not talking chicken feed but millions of dollars.

The Nike campaign that featured Kapernick was another example of a paid advertisement that generated huge amounts of free advertising because some people got butt-hurt about it which generated a ‘controversy.’ Smart marketing people (as well as Russian hackers) learned a long time ago how easy it is to manipulate Joe Sixpack to cash in big time.

 

[Husk in butt]

Anyone who knows anything about advertising knows that this Gillette commercial was a huge win for the company. Whether it’s Budweiser, UCF, or Gillette, the more your brand name is mentioned outside of a specific ad campaign, the more free advertising you’re getting. And we’re not talking chicken feed but millions of dollars.

The Nike campaign that featured Kapernick was another example of a paid advertisement that generated huge amounts of free advertising because some people got butt-hurt about it which generated a ‘controversy.’ Smart marketing people (as well as Russian hackers) learned a long time ago how easy it is to manipulate Joe Sixpack to cash in big time.

Just because an ad is talked about doesn't always make it successful. It needs to promote people buying the product. I only use electric razors so I have zero impact. This ad now has female backlash over Gillette charging more for their razors. But yes, I think Gillette went purposely into this to create buzz. I don't think there will be a boycott or more purchases. They have more competition now than ever.

 

[fried-chicken]

I guess that is problem. You're targeting some buzz word for all men are bad campaign. I've already showed with cheating and 40% domestic violence against men exists. There is still no reason to start a Venus razor ad telling women they suck and be better.

It clearly has a negative connotation towards all men. They could of spun the ad to thanking all the dad's for the work they do to mold their kids, provide food, etc. Then say something about men and women being kinder towards each other.

So you aren't mad that they targeted men after all.

You have already said some men need to behave better so that can be why you're mad. You also said you personally aren't one of those men so you shouldn't feel like this is directed at you.

So what is the issue?

 

[fried-chicken]

Ohhhh I see women need to be told how they can improve in ads then it would be fair. Someone should get on that. Currently no ads tell women how they can be better. That's why you're mad. You want fairness.

 

[fried-chicken]

Ive never seen an ad that tells women what they need to do to improve.

 

[UCFWayne]

i remember when dicks sporting goods said they would no longer carry assault rifles. i know it wasnt a commercial but the company made the statement and it got a massive amount of publicity from all kinds of news, lifestyle, and sports websites/blogs. not all publicity is good for business.

 

[Happy Hands]

The stuff in the commercial happens! If you don't do it - it's not aimed at you. It's literally saying that the people who do that sh!t, shouldn't and other men should hold each other accountable for when they witness it.

How do you guys not get that?

Because that isn't the way the commercial was written. I'll paraphrase it:

"Bullying, rape, rape, sexism
Is this the best a man can get?
Quit make excuses like boys will be boys
Something has changed and we can't go back.
Men have been doing this for far too long.
But now(now as in finally) some (not all or even a majority) are doing something about it. But some is not enough."

How do you not see the implication?

 

[Husk in butt]

Ohhhh I see women need to be told how they can improve in ads then it would be fair. Someone should get on that. Currently no ads tell women how they can be better. That's why you're mad. You want fairness.

I'm actually not mad...lol. I don't think we need ads telling a group, gender, race, or whatever they are a POS. I guess stereotyping is now cool.

You know full well they couldn't run a anti Muslim Goodyear Tire commercial. A group that truly is doing things anti-women.

 

[DaShuckster]

I'll paraphrase it:

"Bullying, rape, rape, sexism
Is this the best a man can get?
Quit make excuses like boys will be boys
Something has changed and we can't go back.
Men have been doing this for far too long.
But now(now as in finally) some (not all or even a majority) are doing something about it. But some is not enough."

Except for your last line, that sounds like a decent description to me. I would say the last line is simply, ‘Time to be the best a man can be.

I'm actually not mad...lol. I don't think we need ads telling a group, gender, race, or whatever they are a POS. I guess stereotyping is now cool.

Good on Husk! We shouldn’t tell groups they are a POS because of the actions of a few.

 

[Happy Hands]

Except for your last line, that sounds like a decent description to me. I would say the last line is simply, ‘Time to be the best a man can be.



Good on Husk! We shouldn’t tell groups they are a POS because of the actions of a few.

The commercial literally says that some is not enough.

 

[UCFWayne]

The commercial literally says that some is not enough.

There’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right

 

[DaShuckster]

The commercial literally says that some is not enough.

Yes. Not a single word about a minority or a majority of men. Just a call that `some` men should become all men. Pretty straightforward if you ask me.