You do realize the people can't decide what they want? That's the problem. There's a dictator there now.
Venezuela Crisis
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You do realize the people can't decide what they want? That's the problem. There's a dictator there now.
You know things are tough for our MAGA hatters when the situation in Venezuela is the hot topic of the day. 
im pretty sure they know they want maduro out of power. i saw video of some massive protests. i dont think they know what to do after the fact.
either way i hope we stay out of it.
You know things are tough for our MAGA hatters when the situation in Venezuela is the hot topic of the day.
Or maybe some aren't so consumed by pathetic obsessive hate for the President that they take a look at other news once a while, especially when a failed state in a continent with a really bad history with dictators is quickly spiraling into a situation that could lead to civil war between two competing factions and destabilize the region.
But meh - HOW DARE WAYNE POST UPDATES! WE HAVE COVINGTON KIDS AND TRUMP TO OBSESS ABOUT AND WHINE ABOUT IN 30 DIFFERENT POSTS! WAHH!!!!
I find it interesting that the 3 remaining left wing, socialist governments in Central and South America are all in the shitter. Venezuela is now a failed state, Nicaragua is headed down a very similar path where they're now killing protestors, and Cuba remains an impoverished craphole that remains stuck in the 1960's.
Brazil just ousted their left wing government after spiraling that country into the shitter.
We need some of that sweet socialism to make its way up here.
This is what socialism and or communism lead to. Neither system works without a strong man in charge.
Asset seizure via taxation is being touted by the popularist DNC candidates right now.
I think that makes the US the first, western G7 (or even of western G20) nations to have candidates tout non-estate (non-death/non-inheritance/non-gift) asset seizure as a method of revenue. I mean, we're talking full-on Greece mentality.
And just when I thought Americans must have failed math during the housing boom, and didn't understand their past-future value money equations ... this comes along. And sure enough, every time I try to explain to progressives that, unlike income taxes, wealth taxes are not something that is recurring, and when it's seized, it's gone, and cannot be recollected like income ... they give me that 'deer in headlights' look.
Of course, we're talking a new generation that doesn't understand that $1M is not enough to retire on ... today. Any retirement planner will point that out. Gen-X needs $2M and Millennials will need $5M. But I'm still dealing with Millennials who think $1M is more net worth than anyone should have.
So I guess math is optional today. Again, the housing boom taught me that.
Good point. The great thing about a representative democracy like ours is that we have checks and balances so some Dictator Wanna-Be can't bully his way to get what he wants.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...a-venezuela-military-intervention/2705957002/
5,000 troops to Colombia. seems like trump may be getting ready for involvement in venezuela. ive said i hope we dont get invovled
ive read maduro thinks trump has ordered his assassination all while he is cracking down and killing some protesters and blocking their social media communications. venezuela is a scary place right now.
5,000 troops to Colombia. seems like trump may be getting ready for involvement in venezuela. ive said i hope we dont get invovled
ive read maduro thinks trump has ordered his assassination all while he is cracking down and killing some protesters and blocking their social media communications. venezuela is a scary place right now.
I love how you ignore the 5,000 number is a total OPSEC failure on Bolton's idiot part. He walked out of a classified meeting without a coversheet on his notes, carrying them face out allowing people to see it.
i think its more than just marco rubio. we need to stay out of it.
let their people actually fight for their own freedom and hope they get it. after its all said and done, come in and help them rebuild and be an ally.
US intervention would play right into their arguments.
This entire story is from something Bolton scribbled on his notepad. For all we know that's the extent of it.
That said I could see a deployment to shore up our ally Colombia and prevent VZ thinking of any incursion over the border.
That said I could see a deployment to shore up our ally Colombia and prevent VZ thinking of any incursion over the border.
Indeed, that is the strategic move. But most Americans don't know the history of those 2 (actually 4, in the region) nations, and why we deploy troops more as 'human shields' than anything, not so much for 'capability'
(either defensively or offensively).
I.e., "If you do it, you'll kill Americans."
It's the ultimate deterrence. That and constantly deployed MEFs on LHDs, LHTs, etc... MEFs are the reason Americans and citizens of its core allies are not touched. Because within 24 hours, they are on the land, and with a vertical (rotary and jump jet) support wing.
I have to remind my European friends that's very much the case, and there's always one (usually Portuguese, Czech or similarly) that immediately nod in front of their 'old Europe' (sans 'really old Europe,' like Portugal and Spain) friends who refuse to concede.
Ironically more Europeans understand that than Progressives.
The same Progressives complaining about the lack of women in the MEFs. The same Europeans also explain at least women can still qualify for the MEFs, whereas they are still barred entirely from the few, selective special force equivalents to the MEFs in the few, select EU nations that have them.
Ignorance is bliss ... like not being able to carry a 155mm shell to load an M777.
+1. It's mostly Rubio pushing it behind the scenes & Trump should not go with his advice 100%. Hopefully Maduro is out without 1 U.S. Troop on Venezuelan soil(CIA is another story...), decisions like that have an effect on Latin American politics 20 plus years later. It's a tight rope that we have to be careful that doesn't turn into a domino effect reaction in another region(ex Russia/Ukraine)
M.R. has a very narrow 'Miami Batista' mindset on how to solve these issues where the end result is the opposite of his original intention. I wish he would visit the entire region(including Cuba where he refuses) more instead of being Twitter critic from DC on policy for all of Latin America.
I don't know how you guys just make this stuff up. Rubio is pushing for a military intervention? That would be news to Marco Rubio it seems.
"I don't know of anyone who is calling for a military intervention," the Florida Republican said on CNN's "State of the Union" with Jake Tapper.
"So I'm not going to justify military intervention because I don't know who is calling for that."
"I don't know of anyone who is calling for a military intervention," the Florida Republican said on CNN's "State of the Union" with Jake Tapper.
"So I'm not going to justify military intervention because I don't know who is calling for that."
you don't know Marco Rubio by now? Listening to his interviews on any issue is pointless, he is an expert at saying a lot but also saying nothing. He thinks going Hawk will solve every problem in Latin America.
I said behind the scenes. And his twitter timeline the last 2 plus years has not really made it a secret in regards to Venezuela.
In other words, he's a politician. Shocking!
Yes, he's made these despots running Latin America as a priority for him, and he's very tough on them rhetorically. Which is the least surprising thing to learn about a guy who grew up with Cuban exiled parents.
Wanting a tougher policy on VZ, such as sanctioning their oil industry (which just happened) is one thing - calling for a military incursion into VZ is entirely different. It's not remotely feasible and as he said, no one is calling for it.
He surely wants to give a run for PResident another shot some day. The last thing he'd want on his resume is a failed US military entanglement in S America.
but that's my whole point on his Latin American policy, he is not flexible to current times. His Cuba policy is a good example, the sample size is large enough that the hardline approach has backfired that there was no point to go backwards on the Obama normalization once that was implemented(even if I disagreed with parts of it). All that is going to do is reopen the door to Russia or China way too close to Florida's shores.
He even got pissed at Jeff Flake for going to Cuba to accompany Google that was working to improve internet access on the Island. He also wants Trump to block the recent MLB deal that would get baseball prospects here safely, instead he rather they keep the same dangerous defecting routine of using smugglers to get to the Big Leagues. He's too black and white on Latin American politics.
I used to agree with most of his foreign policy in regards to Cuba but after learning the details on Cuban history not so much anymore. I'm glad that Rubio acknowledges Latin America though bc that is my one pet peeve with both GOP and the Democrats, they too often forget it exists. Investing and Strengthening that region not only makes everyone safer but it helps with the Immigration issues.
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also back to Venezuela Maduro has to be one of the most inept Authoritarian Despots so it shouldn't be very difficult to finish the job, especially if the more of the Venezuelan Army turns on him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuelan-military-barricades-bridge-bid-block-aid-162209057.html
Venezuela military barricades bridge in attempt to block aid
Im glad this country will never be a socialist country.
Venezuela military barricades bridge in attempt to block aid
Im glad this country will never be a socialist country.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-begins-crucial-week-humanitarian-aid-stand-off-171110802.html
Trump tells Venezuela military to back Guaido or 'lose everything'
im ok with giving aid, but we need to stay the hell out of their problems
Trump tells Venezuela military to back Guaido or 'lose everything'
im ok with giving aid, but we need to stay the hell out of their problems
How come when we talk about socialism you all point to Venezuela and not Denmark. Which country are we more similar too?
Natural resource extraction is probably the single largest economic category. Beyond that, Venezuala is by for more similar in ethnic diversity than Denmark where 90% of the population has the same ethnic background and culture. US Urban density is closer to venezuala than denmark and minority growth rate is on the same level.
the only Latin American country that would be somewhat comparable to us based on resources, population, and demographics is Brazil.
I asked for economic categories and you hit me with we have more brown people. You are telling me you think Venezuela fails because they are brown and Denmark succeed because they are all white? That's what you're going with?
Please answer the question without racism @Crazyhole
Why are we more similar to Venezuela than Denmark economically.
Why are we more similar to Venezuela than Denmark economically.
Natural resource extraction is the only thing you gave me that is even relevant so I'll excuse the obvious insinuation that America can't adopt any social safety nets because brown people will ruin it like they did in Venezuela.
I counter your "natural resource extraction" with literally every other category from GDP per capita down to educated workforce that we are closer to Denmark than Venezuela.
So why do we use Venezuela, a country so dissimilar to America that it is almost laughable, as an example of what would happen if we gave Americans healthcare?
But whenever anyone brings up the dozens of countries who do it well we get basically told those countries aren't like us so it won't be the same here?
I counter your "natural resource extraction" with literally every other category from GDP per capita down to educated workforce that we are closer to Denmark than Venezuela.
So why do we use Venezuela, a country so dissimilar to America that it is almost laughable, as an example of what would happen if we gave Americans healthcare?
But whenever anyone brings up the dozens of countries who do it well we get basically told those countries aren't like us so it won't be the same here?
Props on immediately playing the race card. Venezuala has failed because they are an ethnically diverse society whereas Denmark has upwards of 90% cultural similarity so the people typically are seeking the same thing. On the flip side, China has been reasonably successful in their socialism experiment but they are also a country with little cultural differences among the population. It has nothing to do with the color of skin and everything to do with how people view one another as being similar.
You make a rational point. The difference is the fact that while a greater percent of the population in Venezuela is involved in agrarian or natural resource exploitation lifestyles, the affect on the country economically is caparable. While socialism in theory is an economic model, it is pervasive in politics and society when implemented.
So providing healthcare to everyone won't work because we don't view all ethnicities as equal in America?
So what would happen? White people would be mad that brown people could go to the doctor? I'm trying to figure out what the issue is here.
Denmark is a capitalist country with a huge welfare system. It is not really socialism..
But that's what we want here sooooooo...
Again, why is America giving people healthcare compared to socialism in Venezuela when it's just another instance of us being more similar to Denmark.
