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long history? I admitted voting for him once

again re read my posts about him on the last few pages. The only reason I am bringing him up is bc he is dictating policy for Trump in Latin America, there are unapologetic conservatives like @UCFWayne and Libertarians like @UCFBS in this thread that are also against intervention when it looks like that might be even a slim possibility. The long term domino effect usually does not end well and in Cuba's case could turn into something a lot more dangerous.
 
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i fully support the usa trying to send aid, even though they are doing their best to block it. it shows the people of venezuela that we are behind them, but that they need to stand up for themselves.

i think the people down there will eventually stand up to this tyranny. hopefully whoever comes out on top allows for more freedom in the future. i have my doubts about the other guy the best option. i believe he is also a socialist.
 
Poolside Knight said:
long history? I admitted voting for him once

again re read my posts about him on the last few pages. The only reason I am bringing him up is bc he is dictating policy for Trump in Latin America, there are unapologetic conservatives like @UCFWayne and Libertarians like @UCFBS in this thread that are also against intervention when it looks like that might be even a slim possibility. The long term domino effect usually does not end well and in Cuba's case could turn into something a lot more dangerous.
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We are talking about AID to sick and hungry people. That’s a far cry from “intervention” unless you classify that are “intervention”, in which case I hope we intervene whenever people are being starved and killed by an asshole dictator
 
UCFKnight85 said:
We are talking about AID to sick and hungry people. That’s a far cry from “intervention” unless you classify that are “intervention”, in which case I hope we intervene whenever people are being starved and killed by an asshole dictator
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So, I'll meet you 'half-way' on this.

I still remember the millions of dollars the Russian government sent the US media to say President Bush was violating treaties when he sent in Coast Guard cutters to deliver aid to Georgia. No, Bush withdrew the required US Navy destroyers to meet the treaty terms in the Black Sea.

I got tired of 'correcting' my ignorant friends who didn't understand how incapable US Coast Guard cutters are at offensive operations against the Russian Navy.

SOOOOO ... if all Trump is doing is assembling assets to deliver aid, and uses a Bush-like non-offensive ship plan, but the US media is doing their typical BS -- even if not 'Russian funded' this time -- then I understand the difference between actual non-interference and US media non-sense.
 
Crazyhole said:
You are confusing mean with median.
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Crazyhole said:
Global average is 84 per 100,000.
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I gave up trying to use per 100,000 numbers on guns. People will literally look stupid because they believe the 'statistics' the US media uses.

Organized crime is so bad in the US, it's rate of gun violence rivals the Philippines. Which is why outlawing legal ownership will work just as poor as it has there.
 
Crazyhole said:
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Venezuelan Women :fire:
The girlfriend of Jorge Ramos(Spanish Language Univision News anchor Wayne posted above)
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UCFWayne said:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/univi...m-detained-released-in-venezuela-network-says
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/25/6979...st-jorge-ramos-reported-detained-in-venezuela

it was reported last night that journalist jorge ramos from univision was detained yesterday after interviewing maduro and that he didnt like the questions. looks like he was released.

the usa is the only place with the first amendment.
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This clown once called Trump a dictoator. Guess he didn’t like meeting an actual dictator this time.
 
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BOGOTA, Colombia —Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro’s “days in power are about to end” because of growing international and domestic pressure on his “mafioso” government and increasing desertions by his military troops, Colombian President Iván Duque said Sunday.

“Maduro is facing his last days, whether that’s one month or two, or one week, or one day,” Duque said in an interview at a military base in Bogota. He said Maduro’s power has declined precipitously in recent weeks: “Nobody has seen Maduro weaker.”
 
UCFKnight85 said:
BOGOTA, Colombia —Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro’s “days in power are about to end” because of growing international and domestic pressure on his “mafioso” government and increasing desertions by his military troops, Colombian President Iván Duque said Sunday.

“Maduro is facing his last days, whether that’s one month or two, or one week, or one day,” Duque said in an interview at a military base in Bogota. He said Maduro’s power has declined precipitously in recent weeks: “Nobody has seen Maduro weaker.”
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I wonder how long it will take to restore the country when he's gone. Will they replace Maduro with another socialist and take some fractional improvements or will they swing the pendulum to the other side and return to capitalism? Or the scary option: military dictator.
 
Crazyhole said:
I wonder how long it will take to restore the country when he's gone. Will they replace Maduro with another socialist and take some fractional improvements or will they swing the pendulum to the other side and return to capitalism? Or the scary option: military dictator.
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hopefully not like Nicaragua...the guy Reagan supported the rebels to overthrow is President again
 
Crazyhole said:
I wonder how long it will take to restore the country when he's gone. Will they replace Maduro with another socialist and take some fractional improvements or will they swing the pendulum to the other side and return to capitalism? Or the scary option: military dictator.
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Simply getting back to having a free and fair election is step 1. The issue is that only socialists are really left in VZ and they’ll probably just continue running the place into the ground with their failed economic policies. But at least they’d be fairly elected, I guess.

Hopefully once Maduro is gone the VZ people look around at their neighbors in the region and realize that leftist socialist regimes are a thing of the past and countries have blown past them by embracing free markets and capitalism
 
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Poolside Knight said:
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It's almost as if he has a personal connection to dictator despots and understands what kind of pain and suffering that can inflict upon people...………..

And oh by the way, Florida has by far the highest number of Venezuelans living within the state. More than 2x the amount of the next state. And he's from the area of Florida where most all of these 102,000 people live.

He's nuts for caring this much!*
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Lol I truly don’t mean this as a flame but an observation: if Rubio went to the VZ border and said the exact same words and put a photo op on Twitter, I think you’d be claiming that US Abrams Tanks are right behind him and he’s clearly war planning to invade
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You can't use the team politics card on me when the top post on this page I admitted voting for him for Senate. No need for me to repeat the bad and good on my take on Rubio and spam a foreign policy thread. Most of it is explained already ITT and there are other reasons on domestic policy on why I'm no longer much of a fan.

This isn't some outrageous minority take on him, I'm pretty sure he has the lowest approval rating out of the FL GOP group of Trump, Scott, him, & Desantis by Floridians. Someone can agree with most of his opinion on Venezuela while thinking it's wrong for him to frantically spread a false rumor on Twitter that just got fact checked by the American media. We should have a higher standard for a sitting U.S. Senator over a crazy Authoritarian Despot when it comes to the truth.
 
Poolside Knight said:
You can't use the team politics card on me when the top post on this page I admitted voting for him for Senate. No need for me to repeat the bad and good on my take on Rubio and spam a foreign policy thread. Most of it is explained already ITT and there are other reasons on domestic policy on why I'm no longer much of a fan.

This isn't some outrageous minority take on him, I'm pretty sure he has the lowest approval rating out of the FL GOP group of Trump, Scott, him, & Desantis by Floridians. Someone can agree with most of his opinion on Venezuela while thinking it's wrong for him to frantically spread a false rumor on Twitter that just got fact checked by the American media. We should have a higher standard for a sitting U.S. Senator over a crazy Authoritarian Despot when it comes to the truth.
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My post had nothing to do with your past or present views on Rubio. Frankly it doesn't matter to me. As it relates specifically to this issue, you've had a particular bone to pick with him several times. I was just laughing at what your reaction would probably be if Rubio were doing photo ops on the VZ border and talking about needing to get aid in the country. In this very thread you linked a tweet to a Castro henchman who threw out the conspiracy that US aid was really a secret plot for an invasion.
 
On one side we have Rubio and countless other mainstream politicians on both sides, taking up the message and cause of 37 other nations that have determined that Maduro is illegitimate and must go.

On the other side, we have a significant coalition of socialist Democrats who refuse to call Maudro a dictator, are going to bat for him, claiming that the US is "imperialistic" in trying to send aid in to help starving VZ people, and trying to give every excuses for why VZ is a failed state beyond admitting that socialism wrecked the place.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
My post had nothing to do with your past or present views on Rubio. Frankly it doesn't matter to me. As it relates specifically to this issue, you've had a particular bone to pick with him several times. I was just laughing at what your reaction would probably be if Rubio were doing photo ops on the VZ border and talking about needing to get aid in the country. In this very thread you linked a tweet to a Castro henchman who threw out the conspiracy that US aid was really a secret plot for an invasion.
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that was Cuba's current President and Rubio replied to him. I was making example of his public hawkish foreign policy, it isn't some conspiracy theory. He said in spanish 'see you soon', he's not exactly hiding what he is lobbying for. You know it is ok to break from the mold and ask questions when someone has an R next to their name. And Rubio did go to the border, the only reason I posted the DWS tweet bc of the narrative being put out that the entire Democratic party is supporting a dictator.

UCFWayne said:
i would take anything the nyt claims with a grain of salt. they arent bastions of truth. kind of like when they rushed to condemn some boys in red hats instead of reviewing some footage and then posting the actual news.
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that is 1 of 3 lies that Rubio has been caught spreading

The Wall Street Journal isn't some Left Wing publication and their South American Bureau Chief also debunked another Rubio tweet that was a lie
 
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an Argentina paper reported that Pence was told by Guaido that he would get 50% of the Venezuelan Army to defect and so far it's not even at 2%. That's creating a stall even with the blackouts and sanctions.

I obviously don't know enough about Argentina media to fact check that claim but just passing along what they are saying
 
Poolside Knight said:
an Argentina paper reported that Pence was told by Guaido that he would get 50% of the Venezuelan Army to defect and so far it's not even at 2%. That's creating a stall even with the blackouts and sanctions.

I obviously don't know enough about Argentina media to fact check that claim but just passing along what they are saying
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They won't defect until they stop getting paid by Uncle Maduro. And they'll defect en masse when the Generals stop getting their paychecks and kick backs and realize that living in the dark for an asshole that isn't recognized by any legit democratic nation is an issue.
 
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UCFWayne said:
im glad we havent intervened militarily. i hope it stays that way.
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As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Wayne on this one. :)

There's always going to be some warhawks out there who, if you replace the word, 'socialist' with 'commie' and 'Venezuela' with 'Vietnam', sound the same way today that they did back in the 1960s.

Humanitarian aid = good. Military intervention = bad.
 
Democratic pressure means next to nothing now. Bashar al-Assad survived even after he used chemical warfare on his civilians.

Maduro will too, as long as the military supports him.
 
Ace of Knights said:
Democratic pressure means next to nothing now. Bashar al-Assad survived even after he used chemical warfare on his civilians.

Maduro will too, as long as the military supports him.
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Syria was/is a war and a war zone. Assad survived because once he and his allies saw that Obama failed to enforce the chemical weapons red line in 2014, they knew that the west had no intention of stopping the civil war. In came Russian troops and Iranian regular forces and bombed cities out of existence while turning the tide of the war while the rest of the world watched helplessly

VZ is (for now) am economic calamity brought on by failed socialist policies. The longer the economic suffering continues and the longer they live in the dark, the sooner we see Maduro leave
 
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