Venezuela Crisis
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I'd venture to say that things other than Democratic Socialism leads those countries to dictatorships. A huge social class gap would be one.
Almost all of Europe is democratic socialist, while still maintaining a democracy or republic.
Name 1 country where democratic socialism doesn't have the same social gap as a representative republic.
Venezuela is a constitutional republic.
You all are mixing up forms/types of government and governmental philosophies.
No, you are. Socialism is socialism. How you arrive at that economic structure is besides the point, whether it be elected or imposed.
Uh no.
You can have a socialist society and still be a republic/democracy. You can also have a socialist society and have a dictator.
Am I missing something?
Most of those, outside of Scandinavia, are capitalist countries with some socialist attributes.
The point you are missing is that it doesn't matter how a government derives it's power, it's what happens after that power is consolidated. In a capitalist economic system, power isn't as easily consolidated because the authority over money is laid at the feet of the consumer.
We are talking theory, right?
socialism is where the government takes control of almost everything. food, energy, housing, medical, imports/exports, and the economy at large.
Tell that to 85 and crew. LOL.
I'm fine with that statement. I'm not fine with your previous one of, "that's how democratic socialism works" in regards to the sham election.
Fair enough. It was probably a little bit antagonistic, but I think I expanded on the thought to give it context.
This. We're obviously dealing with geniuses here.
None of Venezuela's problems are due to their socialism.
Well...I also wouldn’t go that far. Venezuela’s socialism isn’t like a lot of Europe’s though. It’s a sliding scale, just like anything. The USA isn’t pure capitalism either.
Done. They all started with a charismatic leader and the.promise of the benefits of socialized democracy or national socialism.
Again, Copernicus was a pretty smart guy so that isn't much of an insult. More importantly though, you asked a leading question so I assumed you have an answer. Which countries are you referring to?
I'm starting to see that there are a couple of posters here that aren't capable of backing up their statements, even with an opinion.
I guess I'll answer my own question.
Well known dictatorships include:
USSR: democratic socialism.
China: democratic socialism
Cuba: military coup. Socialism
Venezuala: democratic socialism
Egypt: military coup.
NAZI Germany: democratic national socialism
Sub-saharan Africa: military coups, socialist/fascist
Syria: military coup, socialist government
North korea: democratic national socialism.
Saudi Arabia: monarchy
Fascist Italy: democratic fascism
Russia 2018: democratic fascism
Vietnam: civil war, socialist.
Afghanistan: constitutional republic.
You should read about what Lenin discovered about democratic socialism in the 1918-1920 time period. He had no idea going in that the consolidation of production by private owners was so much more effective than small operations, so he bailed on the idea and just enslaved the workers for "the greater good". Funny how even Lenin recognized the fact that profit is a pretty good motivator.
Lenin was a smart dude. I actually admire him in the same way I admire Keynes and Engle. That said, he paved the road to hell with good intentions.
...and prior to their dictators, what type of government did they have? You could just stick to Germany, Italy, and Spain, if you want.
socialism will always fail. the 2 greatest cases of socialism actually having a fair start but ultimately failing happened right here in america. at some people you run out of other peoples goods/services.
Some were imperial territories, some were theological based governments, some had no government at all. Italy and Spain went fascist and Germany went socialist. All through democratic votes. Do you have a point you'd like to make?
The whole premise is flawed because it completely disregards the fact that people are self motivated. It's like saying an alligator has to share his prey with other alligators because they need to eat too. Pretty sure he isn't interested in that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/ven...ican-diplomats-72-hours-to-leave-country.html
Venezuela is pretty crazy right now.
"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?" - bernie sanders
i think that was before venezuelians started eating pets/zoo/road side animals because they are starving. i think the average venezuelian has lost around 17 pounds.
Venezuela is pretty crazy right now.
- Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro says he is breaking diplomatic relations with the United States.
- Earlier, the Trump administration said it recognizes opposition leader Juan Guaido as the country’s interim president.
- Maduro says U.S. diplomatic personnel have 72 hours to leave the country. The U.S. State Department said it would not comply with that order.
"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?" - bernie sanders
i think that was before venezuelians started eating pets/zoo/road side animals because they are starving. i think the average venezuelian has lost around 17 pounds.
Let's be honest who likes socialism. The people that are usually not as productive, make good money decisions, and want to steal from others that do. Correct?
People are drawn to socialism for a variety of reasons. The only common factor is that they see a problem and want to control it.
The irony of socialism is that people dont trust human nature but what they are advocating leads to the worst parts of human nature.
People are greedy. People want control. Socialism is just a greater means for people to be greedy and take control.
People are greedy. People want control. Socialism is just a greater means for people to be greedy and take control.
cuba, turkey, russia, and china support maduro. everyone else seems to be behind guiado. i hope we stay out of this mess and let the people decide what they want.
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