There are thousands of people participating in marches all over the country that are protesting police brutality and your take away is "they are protesting their dissatisfaction with life in general".
"What was he doing wrong?"
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This armed vs unarmed thing I see people throwing out is a completely dishonest argument. Being armed does not justify being shot, technically Philando Castille was armed. If we are going to live in a country where guns are all over the place and perfectly legal, then this statistic is completely meaningless and you would have to look at each individual situation to determine if the armed person was a threat.
If they are protesting police brutality, then why are businesses being looted and set on fire?
Keep up your simple-minded approach to this and those same people that are protesting police brutality will find their way to your house. You are every bit as guilty as those businesses.
Again, the protests and looting are not the same thing. Out of 10s or even 100s of thousands who have been out marching, the vast majority are not looting are vandalizing. You are mistaking opportunists (many of which are white and Trump supporters) taking advantage of a situation as the actual protests.
Great response, thanks for the discussion. But let's be honest, if you need someone else to make your point for you, then you didnt have a point to begin with.
The last 5 days or so have been mostly peaceful , most of the looting was last weekend
What if I told you that there’s a huge difference between legally armed and illegally armed? Or using your legal firearm in an illegal manner?
But you have to look into each shooting situation to determine these things, that is my point, and why throwing that out as an argument is completely meaningless.
Cubs, you’re making a good point. Likewise, where all armed people are not threats, so are all unarmed people not benign. Unarmed people can represent a mortal threat and do kill armed and unarmed people every day in this country. So across the scale of proportionality of force, we must take each situation case by case if we are to get to the actual truth and real justice.
Unfortunately, society is in a phase where we are impatient and paint things with very broad brushes. We don’t like to look at context and nuance. Instead we operate on reaction and emotion. Our justice is that of emotional construct and yeah we all understand that getting people to see our side means they might get uncomfortable. What fewer accept is that they may need to get uncomfortable themselves and see the other side in order to truly create change.
I truly don’t know how we get there from here in our society.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/m...mantling-city-s-police-department/ar-BB15asK9
Minneapolis is going to completely restructure their police department. It'll be interesting to see what this looks like in practice
Minneapolis is going to completely restructure their police department. It'll be interesting to see what this looks like in practice
Camden NJ did this several years ago, and Camden is still a dangerous city, but it looks like it actually helped at least a bit. They basically have fewer cops than before, but more social worker involvement and things of that nature. Of course, we dont know what Minneapolis's structure will look like at this point, so hard to really have an opinion of it one way or the other.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...lling-harris-says/ar-BB15cnr2?ocid=spartanntp
Kamala Harris says the cops are not guilty
Kamala Harris says the cops are not guilty
So much of interest there. She parsed her words quite well. She didn’t say they were not guilty but that convicted them will be hard. She also didn’t say they killed him but that he died while in their restraint. Oh, and apparently her being in law enforcement is apparently a plus for her again. Just a few months ago it was the reason she needed to withdraw from the Presidential race.
https://www.startribune.com/manufac...iots-plans-to-move-out-of-the-city/571104922/
Manufacturer that burned as Minneapolis protests turned violent plans to relocate from city
'They didn't protect our people,' 7-Sigma owner says of city officials.
Manufacturer that burned as Minneapolis protests turned violent plans to relocate from city
'They didn't protect our people,' 7-Sigma owner says of city officials.
Imagine all the bullshit that has gone on over the years before cellphone videos started uncovering the truth?
The cellphone videos are a mixed bag. On one hand, they do expose some bad behavior by police. On the other hand, when a police officer is in an interaction that is respectful and all of a sudden the phones come out, the tone changes. It’s like the phones emobolden people to start trying to provoke an incident.
Of course, you never see that part of an interaction unless the body cam released. You also very rarely see non-police committing heinous crimes on cell phones and those almost never go viral. Just the ones that look bad for the police. It’s almost like there’s an agenda to serve.
This guy claims that Floyd and Chauvin definitely knew eachother from time working at the same night club and had issues with eachother at least twice while both working there. And he assumes Chauvin would have known who Floyd was when he was kneeling on him.
Possibly (maybe) explains the increase to 2nd Degree Murder if this is actually verifiable.
Possibly (maybe) explains the increase to 2nd Degree Murder if this is actually verifiable.
Ellison had to up the charge because the third degree statute in MN is more for things like drunk driving homicides where the murder was not directed at a particular person but the murderous actions were perpetrated without regard to others lives. Chauvin directed his actions specifically to Floyd and only to Floyd, therefore his actions did not fit the 3rd-degree statue.
Here is the actual statute: Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
For this second degree murder charge, you have to prove that he had an intent in that moment to kill Floyd and also that the knee to the neck actually killed him beyond a reasonable doubt OR you have to say that them restraining Floyd in such a manner constitutes a felony and that Floyd's death was caused by the officers. I'm sure that prosecution will try to bring the prior disagreements in to form requisite intent but Chauvin will have the ability to cross-examine and to also bring people in to refute the claims and I'm not sure it there's enough meat there. On the felony end of it, I'm not sure there will be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the restraint actions rose to a felony crime; Floyd did in fact resist and they did, in fact, struggle to get him into the car. If, in fact, the MPD's policy manual allowed vascular restraints from the side using a knee, I think that it'll be very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed a felony in restraining him. Maybe Ellison can convince a judge/jury that the length of restraint when far beyond what is reasonable and lawful and constitutes a felony and then intent doesn't matter. I still think the manslaughter charges are more likely to result in a conviction.
Here is the second degree statute:
Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or
(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).
Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or
(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.
there were a lot of posts about trump using the bible as a prop for a photo op.
i didnt see any posts about condemning the dems using that kente cloth as props.
if it werent for double standards, the left wouldnt have any.
i didnt see any posts about condemning the dems using that kente cloth as props.
if it werent for double standards, the left wouldnt have any.
to be fair, i saw you and several others calling this out. however that was in the dungeon vs wc.
didnt you rage about trumps stupid bible picture?If it didn't happen here, it didn't happen!!!![[smoke]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/smokin.r191677.gif "Cool [smoke]")
I thought it was ham-handed (similar to this photo op.)
My comment was intended to remind posters that all their important posts to be exclusively WC-material. The dungeon should be limited to Heupel bashing/fawning.
The outrage was because people were tear gassed so Trump could get the photo op.
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this dude better drive faster next time he's DWB
No big deal just mob loser assholes trying to destroy a cop car and beating the cops inside, then crying like little children when the cops put them on their ass.
Have you ever seen such bullshit? This is what racism by police looks like, folks.
Damn straight! Deputy Bubba sure showed that uppity Black driver who pissed 'em off by taking issue with his friendly,"chit-chatty" questions by giving him a Warning ticket for driving 5 miles under the speed limit by golly!!!
He'll think twice before doing that disrespectful shit again next time!!!
Sir, do you know why i pulled you over today? Well youre doing 65 in a 70. Thats a little suspicious.
Sir, do you know why i pulled you over today? Well youre doing 75 in a 70. Thats above the limit.
Sir, do you knkw why I pulled you over today? Well youre doing 70 in a 70. Seems like you're trying to avoid being stopped, what are you hiding?
First sign of racism is a verbal.
Second sign of racism is a documented verbal
Third sign of racism is a written warning
Fourth sign of racism is a tongue lashing
Fifth sign of racism is a finger wag and a mean look
Sixth sign of racism is a "i'm not mad im just disapointed" talk from your mother.
Seventh sign of racism is a presidential medal of freedom from Trump.
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