Official "FC has tds and prays there is no cure" thread

[fried-chicken]

We've got 4 times as many tests as number of cases. Why do we need 44 times as many right now? It takes time to produce things.

Listen to what I'm telling you.

I did not create the goal of 28M tests. I'm not saying that's what we need.

The president and vice president promised 28M tests because that's what THEY said we needed. THEY delivered 2M tests. I'm not arguing what we need or don't need. I'm documenting yet another failed response from press briefings with so many that they often fall through the cracks. Where's the Google website to direct people to drive up testing centers in Wal-Mart and Target parking lots?

If you delivered 8% of what you promised your boss and it was 10 days late would you be able to convince them that the 8% is all they actually needed anyway? We are the presidents boss. They have proven incapable of managing this.

 

[Crazyhole]

Listen to what I'm telling you.

I did not create the goal of 28M tests. I'm not saying that's what we need.

The president and vice president promised 28M tests because that's what THEY said we needed. THEY delivered 2M tests. I'm not arguing what we need or don't need. I'm documenting yet another failed response from press briefings with so many that they often fall through the cracks. Where's the Google website to direct people to drive up testing centers in Wal-Mart and Target parking lots?

If you delivered 8% of what you promised your boss and it was 10 days late would you be able to convince them that the 8% is all they actually needed anyway? We are the presidents boss. They have proven incapable of managing this.

Fair point, but if one of my employees bought 44 times more than what we need of something I'd also consider that to be a failure.

 

[DaShuckster]

Fair point, but if one of my employees bought 44 times more than what we need of something I'd also consider that to be a failure.

44 times more than we need?

We won't need to test our returning workforce if we're going to get the economy going again?

 

[fried-chicken]

44 times more than we need?

We won't need to test our returning workforce if we're going to get the economy going again?

Don't get looped into the how much do we really need argument. That's subjective. The reality is the CDC said we needed 28M Trump said 28M Pence said 28M.

Those are deliverables. They made the commitment. They came through with 2M 10 days late. That is a testament to extreme mismanagement. Either they were incompetent in projecting how much they could accomplish or they were incompetent in accomplishing what they should have been able to deliver. Either way there are 1000s of people who manage delegate and react better than Trump. At this point he needs to put a general in charge of it and step the **** back.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

We have 327 million people in this country.

Unless they go to more of an immediate test widely available, it doesn't make sense to constantly test those not showing symptoms of 330 million citizens. Are you forcing healthy into an invasive test especially ones that require a lab that would be completely overwhelmed and likely a crap ton of mistakes?

We will probably have better solutions coming. Hopefully

 

[moonlight-knight]

Based on anecdotal evidence so far, 85-95% of covid19 patients who get hooked on ventilator die.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Based on anecdotal evidence so far, 85-95% of covid19 patients who get hooked on ventilator die.

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I completely agree with this. Hospital ventilator support for this is basically a death sentence. Elderly patients with Co-morbidities especially. Once you get ARDS, you’re done.

That’a why I was so worried about Boris Johnson. Did he ever get put on a ventilator?

 

[fried-chicken]

Based on anecdotal evidence so far, 85-95% of covid19 patients who get hooked on ventilator die.

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You dont think its problematic that you follow an unverified Twitter account called "hydroxycloroquine news?" Do you think they are giving the promising and negative test results or could you possibly be insulating yourself from any negative studies by using them to assemble the news you see?

It seems like you have chosen what you want to be true and are seeking out sources of information that will support that rather than established scientific communities that urge caution but sometimes show optimism.

 

[UCFKnight85]

You dont think its problematic that you follow an unverified Twitter account called "hydroxycloroquine news?" Do you think they are giving the promising and negative test results or could you possibly be insulating yourself from any negative studies by using them to assemble the news you see?

It seems like you have chosen what you want to be true and are seeking out sources of information that will support that rather than established scientific communities that urge caution but sometimes show optimism.

Please don't swoop in and act like you're the middle ground mediator here.

 

[Crazyhole]

You dont think its problematic that you follow an unverified Twitter account called "hydroxycloroquine news?" Do you think they are giving the promising and negative test results or could you possibly be insulating yourself from any negative studies by using them to assemble the news you see?

It seems like you have chosen what you want to be true and are seeking out sources of information that will support that rather than established scientific communities that urge caution but sometimes show optimism.

Holy hypocrisy batman.

 

[fried-chicken]

Holy hypocrisy batman.

I literally watch regular normal journalism on TV.

You've gotten to a point where you think DRs speaking medical facts and truths are just libs.

I have never linked one article from an equivalent or OAN or Infowars or The Blaze. It's just never happened, I am very cautious about biased sources.

 

[goodknightfl]

44 times more than we need?

We won't need to test our returning workforce if we're going to get the economy going again?

Have 3 more weeks before any need to worry about those test. and it will be a slow reopen,

 

[moonlight-knight]

You dont think its problematic that you follow an unverified Twitter account called "hydroxycloroquine news?" Do you think they are giving the promising and negative test results or could you possibly be insulating yourself from any negative studies by using them to assemble the news you see?

It seems like you have chosen what you want to be true and are seeking out sources of information that will support that rather than established scientific communities that urge caution but sometimes show optimism.

If you actually looked at the chart the data was sourced by the European CDC. And the link to the data. https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus Seems you have an issue at looking at headlines rather than actually reading any article. Seems like an USF reading comprehension issue.

 

[moonlight-knight]

I completely agree with this. Hospital ventilator support for this is basically a death sentence. Elderly patients with Co-morbidities especially. Once you get ARDS, you’re done.

That’a why I was so worried about Boris Johnson. Did he ever get put on a ventilator?

Bojo is out of ICU and in stable condition.

 

[fried-chicken]

If you actually looked at the chart the data was sourced by the European CDC. And the link to the data. https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus Seems you have an issue at looking at headlines rather than actually reading any article. Seems like an USF reading comprehension issue.

I'm saying there are studies that look great and studies that look problematic. You only get one side from "Hydroxycloroquine News" would you care to guess what type of studies that unverified Twitter account promotes? Do you think they give the full picture? If there are 20 studies and 10 are good and 10 are bad but you only hear about the 10 good ones don't you think that would create a false reality in your mind? Is it possible for you to admit that could happen to someone and has possibly happened to you?

 

[moonlight-knight]

I'm saying there are studies that look great and studies that look problematic. You only get one side from "Hydroxycloroquine News" would you care to guess what type of studies that unverified Twitter account promotes? Do you think they give the full picture? If there are 20 studies and 10 are good and 10 are bad but you only hear about the 10 good ones don't you think that would create a false reality in your mind? Is it possible for you to admit that could happen to someone and has possibly happened to you?

The chart doesn't show a false reality and is not a clinical study. It shows the CFR for Malaysia compared to other countries. Bahrain, Malaysia, Turkey, and South Korea have HCQ as standard treatment protocol for outpatient use and their CFR is lower than most countries. And I verified the chart and data source before even posting it. Even Italy has started using it for outpatient use and their ICU visits have decreased since the protocol started. And I have the link to the actually news article to prove it. I've been following HCQ as a treatment long before Trump mentioned it and found most of the news as balanced before his announcement and got more negative after it. I just wished he never mentioned it .

 

[fried-chicken]

The chart doesn't show a false reality and is not a clinical study. It shows the CFR for Malaysia compared to other countries. Bahrain, Malaysia, Turkey, and South Korea have HCQ as standard treatment protocol for outpatient use and their CFR is lower than most countries. And I verified the chart and data source before even posting it. Even Italy has started using it for outpatient use and their ICU visits have decreased since the protocol started. And I have the link to the actually news article to prove it. I've been following HCQ as a treatment long before Trump mentioned it and found most of the news as balanced before his announcement and got more negative after it. I just wished he never mentioned it .

I'm not talking about the chart. I'm talking about your predisposition to accept anctidotal evidence that is good and dismiss anctidotal evidence that is bad paired with your source of information being 100% supportive of HQC. So I'll ask again, is it even a possibility that you are focused on only one side of the story and not the other?

 

[Crazyhole]

I'm not talking about the chart. I'm talking about your predisposition to accept anctidotal evidence that is good and dismiss anctidotal evidence that is bad paired with your source of information being 100% supportive of HQC. So I'll ask again, is it even a possibility that you are focused on only one side of the story and not the other?

Even in a controlled study it will still be anecdotal evidence. It takes years before anything can be labeled a cure.

 

[moonlight-knight]

I'm not talking about the chart. I'm talking about your predisposition to accept anctidotal evidence that is good and dismiss anctidotal evidence that is bad paired with your source of information being 100% supportive of HQC. So I'll ask again, is it even a possibility that you are focused on only one side of the story and not the other?

Chart references a website that does not promote HCQ. And most of my posts references real data. Data show countries that use HCQ in outpatient use have lower ICU admission rates and CFR. Data shows no country that extensively uses HCQ in outpatient use and have high ICU admissions and high CFR. There are no posts or charts that shows where a country does use HCQ extensive outpatient and not been successful.

 

[moonlight-knight]

As with any viral diseases like influenza and cancer, it is best to treat it earlier than rather to wait for it to get worse. Tamiflu, for example loses it effectiveness if you do not treat the flu early. And the same for cancer. If not treated early, your survival rate decreases.

 

[DaShuckster]

Even in a controlled study it will still be anecdotal evidence. It takes years before anything can be labeled a cure.

Oooooh, come ON, Crazy! What about your OP?

 

[moonlight-knight]

Evidence that smoking was harmful was largely discredited or considered anecdotal until the late 1950s, despite doctors noticing rapidly increasing rates of lung cancer.

 

[Raynman]

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson released from hospital amid coronavirus fight

U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson was released Sunday from a London hospital where he has battled coronavirus for nearly a week, according to officials.

Downing Street said the British prime minister will not immediately return to work and will instead recuperate at Chequers, his official country retreat in Buckinghamshire.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-pr...released-from-hospital-amid-coronavirus-fight

 

[Crazyhole]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...uine-clinical-trial-for-coronavirus-treatment

This governor will end up being a Rockstar after this.

 

[moonlight-knight]

Both drugs have not completed rigorous randomized clinical trials. Notice the difference in tone:

Both have anecdotal evidence of treating covid effectively.

 

[Crazyhole]

Both drugs have not completed rigorous randomized clinical trials. Notice the difference in tone:

Both have anecdotal evidence of treating covid effectively.

Holy crap. HCQ is only being dismissed because trump mentioned it. Thats sick.

 

[Cubs79]

Holy crap. HCQ is only being dismissed because trump mentioned it. Thats sick.

HCQ hasnt been dismissed. There have been several trials and studies of it, so I dont understand how you equate that to dismissing it. Not accepting it as a miracle drug without some study on it isnt dismissing it.

 

[Crazyhole]

HCQ hasnt been dismissed. There have been several trials and studies of it, so I dont understand how you equate that to dismissing it. Not accepting it as a miracle drug without some study on it isnt dismissing it.

Let me rephrase that. The media wants it to eventually be dismissed because if it does end up being a game changer, its a win for him.

 

[Cubs79]

Let me rephrase that. The media wants it to eventually be dismissed because if it does end up being a game changer, its a win for him.

Or the Trump people desperately want it to be a miracle drug to validate him. That line of thinking works both ways, but neither really matters because in the end it is either going to work or it isnt.

 

[Ucfmikes]

I don’t think Trump mentioned it as a “possible” game changer, because he wanted anything from it.

 

[Crazyhole]

Or the Trump people desperately want it to be a miracle drug to validate him. That line of thinking works both ways, but neither really matters because in the end it is either going to work or it isnt.

No, people want it to be a game changer because this virus scares the crap out of them and they are looking for hope.

 

[Cubs79]

No, people want it to be a game changer because this virus scares the crap out of them and they are looking for hope.

But that "hope" doesnt have to specifically be this drug. It is this drug because of Trump. The only reason this drug is getting so much coverage on either side is because of Trump, that isnt debatable. But again, it doesnt matter. It will either work or it wont and the rest is just a sideshow.

 

[DaShuckster]

But that "hope" doesnt have to specifically be this drug. It is this drug because of Trump. The only reason this drug is getting so much coverage on either side is because of Trump, that isnt debatable. But again, it doesnt matter. It will either work or it wont and the rest is just a sideshow.

If this drug is really working, AWESOME. It can remain an experimental option for those patients desperate enough to try it, and who have doctors who believe in it enough to recommend it.

But there's a reason why drug commercials on TV spend half their time warning you about their dangerous side-effects. The President hyped this drug as "a possible game-changer" without it ever having been run through the usual exhaustive series of tests required for drugs on the American market.

In Trump's own words, "What do you have to lose?" I hope this drug helps patients infected with the virus. But the truth is: we don't really know: 1) if it works with all patients; and 2) if there are any serious side-effects when used with patients infected with the corona virus.

 

[Cubs79]

If this drug is really working, AWESOME. It can remain an experimental option for those patients desperate enough to try it, and who have doctors who believe in it enough to recommend it.

But there's a reason why drug commercials on TV spend half their time warning you about their dangerous side-effects. The President hyped this drug as "a possible game-changer" without it ever having been run through the usual exhaustive series of tests required for drugs on the American market.

In Trump's own words, "What do you have to lose?" I hope this drug helps patients infected with the virus. But the truth is: we don't really know: 1) if it works with all patients; and 2) if there are any serious side-effects when used with patients infected with the corona virus.

Using HCQ for its current intended uses can apparently cause cardiac issues, though I think that is more due to the long term use. But the cardiac issue seems to be a concern to some doctors.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/side-effects-halt-use-of-chloroquine-vs-covid-19
"We cannot rule out serious side effects, especially from the heart, and it is a hard-dosed drug. In addition, we have no strong evidence that chloroquine has an effect on COVID-19," Magnus Gisslen said.

 

[moonlight-knight]

Using HCQ for its current intended uses can apparently cause cardiac issues, though I think that is more due to the long term use. But the cardiac issue seems to be a concern to some doctors.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/side-effects-halt-use-of-chloroquine-vs-covid-19
"We cannot rule out serious side effects, especially from the heart, and it is a hard-dosed drug. In addition, we have no strong evidence that chloroquine has an effect on COVID-19," Magnus Gisslen said.

Swedish patients where given chloroquine, which has a higher toxicity than hydroxychloroquine.

Side effects of chloroquine that are different from hydroxychloroquine include irreversible damage to the retina, deafness, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), reduced hearing, increased liver enzymes, loss of appetite, vomiting, and diarrhea.

Side effects of hydroxychloroquine that are different from chloroquine include irritability, headache, weakness, hair lightening or hair loss, stomach upset, dizziness, muscle pain, and itching.

Any physician prescribing hydroxychloroquine would not prescribe it to a patient with acute heart problems. And would normally run an EKG test on patient before treatment.

 

[Crazyhole]

But that "hope" doesnt have to specifically be this drug. It is this drug because of Trump. The only reason this drug is getting so much coverage on either side is because of Trump, that isnt debatable. But again, it doesnt matter. It will either work or it wont and the rest is just a sideshow.

Because of trump? No, its because of the white paper put out by Stanford that day which he referenced. He got the word out before anybody else, but that's because he got it before the major media outlets. I referenced in the 2nd post in this thread because of Stanford, not Trump.

 

[Cubs79]

Because of trump? No, its because of the white paper put out by Stanford that day which he referenced. He got the word out before anybody else, but that's because he got it before the major media outlets. I referenced in the 2nd post in this thread because of Stanford, not Trump.

It is still because of Trump. I understand he wasnt the one studying it, but the reason it became a major story was because of Trump. You started this thread and declared we had a cure almost a month ago, but the reality is HCQ and other things are still being studied.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...loroquine-coronavirus-life-column/5123478002/

There are other things being studied as well that arent getting the same attention yet because the president hasnt touted them as potential game changers.

 

[sk8knight]

It is still because of Trump. I understand he wasnt the one studying it, but the reason it became a major story was because of Trump. You started this thread and declared we had a cure almost a month ago, but the reality is HCQ and other things are still being studied.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...loroquine-coronavirus-life-column/5123478002/

There are other things being studied as well that arent getting the same attention yet because the president hasnt touted them as potential game changers.

With the way that people went after him when he mentioned the first potential game changer, why would he mention any others? So people can put a stigma on those as well?

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

With the way that people went after him when he mentioned the first potential game changer, why would he mention any others? So people can put a stigma on those as well?

Exactly...the left would rather have people die vs some Trump optimism over a drug. You will have governors threatening lawsuits against doctors. The TDS can literally kill people.

 

[fried-chicken]

Exactly...the left would rather have people die vs some Trump optimism over a drug. You will have governors threatening lawsuits against doctors. The TDS can literally kill people.

This thread is a month old. Why hasn't this miracle cure developed into a miracle cure? Trump runs the FDA. He has the power to get this into every doctors hands with a swish of a pen. Why hasn't he? If this is such a guaranteed life saver how can you reconcile Trump allowing 2400 people to die yesterday?