Remember that time we left Afghanistan

[Crazyhole]

I think it's just publicized more--we've been pretty effing inept since Korea.

Sure, you could go all the way back to the 50s, korea, the shah, etc. but things didn't really snowball until later. The Saigon airlift didn't really change how the government operated fundamentally. The Iran hostage crisis didn't. The stagflation of the late 70s and early 80s. All came and went but we didn't change the way we viewed government or how it was supposed to operate, we just dealt with it. Maybe it was the OKC bombing or Waco, but something happened between 1995 and 2002 that really flipped a switch.

 

[UCFBS]

Maybe it was the OKC bombing or Waco, but something happened between 1995 and 2002 that really flipped a switch.

Ruby Ridge and Waco changed Gen-X to question government like Vietnam did Boomers.

Unfortunately too many Millennials and Zoomers think bigger government will solve problems...

And think we Gen-X'ers are too much like Boomers when we want the government to have less power, and more equal weapons, to the populace.

 

[Knight In TN]

Of course it can be tied to Bush (and Trump in some ways since he was the one negotiating with the Taliban). At some point, no matter who the president was at the time, was going to have to evacuate and the country was going to go to hell. Bush put every following president in an unwinnable situation with Afghanistan. If Trump had won and evacuated in May, this would have happened in May. If we waited a few more months, or even a few more years, this would have happened. IMO it is more than fair to criticize Biden with regards to not getting visas to the interpreters and things of that nature, and certainly they miscalculated the amount of time it would take for the Taliban to take over. I think he does deserve criticism for that. But that doesnt take away from the fact that it was Bush who got us into this mess.

Once again, you absolutely can’t criticize anyone but Biden for the fact that we seemingly pulled the plug long before we took care of the people and assets in country that we needed to take care of.

The plug needed to be pulled, but not before extracting properly.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Sure, you could go all the way back to the 50s, korea, the shah, etc. but things didn't really snowball until later. The Saigon airlift didn't really change how the government operated fundamentally. The Iran hostage crisis didn't. The stagflation of the late 70s and early 80s. All came and went but we didn't change the way we viewed government or how it was supposed to operate, we just dealt with it. Maybe it was the OKC bombing or Waco, but something happened between 1995 and 2002 that really flipped a switch.

"All came and went but we didn't change the way we viewed government or how it was supposed to operate, we just dealt with it."

I strongly disagree with this. By all accounts, we proved ourselves in a capacity during WW2 that our government could handle anything. Korea started that unraveling. Vietnam kind of cemented it.

Have you ever watched Ken Burns' documentary on Vietnam? It's kind of stunning...

 

[Cubs79]

Once again, you absolutely can’t criticize anyone but Biden for the fact that we seemingly pulled the plug long before we took care of the people and assets in country that we needed to take care of.

The plug needed to be pulled, but not before extracting properly.

And what exactly do you think it would have looked like if the plug was pulled later?

 

[hemightbejeremy]

If the taliban kill people and we were never there it’s barely a story. Now that we left, every death is going to be framed as a foreign policy failure. Meanwhile China is committing genocide. But at least they aren’t doing after we occupied them for 20 years…

 

[chemmie]

Make no mistake, this was one of the biggest clusterf*cks in American foreign policy history.

Some people thought it was 20 years ago.

 

[DaShuckster]

Once again, you absolutely can’t criticize anyone but Biden for the fact that we seemingly pulled the plug long before we took care of the people and assets in country that we needed to take care of.

The plug needed to be pulled, but not before extracting properly.

Yeah, ignore the fact that Trump wanted to pull the plug three months earlier.

a lot of the people now blaming Biden were calling for the same thing when Trump was in office, and just a month or so ago Trump wanted us out and spoke about it at one of his rallies. He actually criticized Biden for waiting so long. ... But the majority of the blame has to be on the guy who got us into this to begin with, which is Bush.

This ^^^^

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Once again, you absolutely can’t criticize anyone but Biden for the fact that we seemingly pulled the plug long before we took care of the people and assets in country that we needed to take care of.

The plug needed to be pulled, but not before extracting properly.

Right. Glad we have a military strategist on the board. The US extracted quietly and quickly from the country. Precisely for the reasons that intel has outlined and knowing the fallout that would occur once they left. Because a significant portion of the Afghan forces were sympathetic to the Taliban and preferred their leadership.

 

[djrenown]

Yeah, ignore the fact that Trump wanted to pull the plug three months earlier.

This ^^^^

Biden, "the problem is Trump had us leaving Afghanistan by May 1st"
Check the calendar, August 16th

So who's fault was it that May 1st was the date, if we were 3 months late leaving and it was still an utter shit show? Man if you're gonna be 3 months late leaving, at least have a plan that doesn't require Afghanis hanging from military airplanes, and coincidently falling to their deaths.

The bar wasn't exactly super high for Joey B

 

[chemmie]

Just like Vietnam, this wasn't a Republican or Democrat f*ck-up, this was an American f*ck-up.

 

[djrenown]

Just like Vietnam, this wasn't a Republican or Democrat f*ck-up, this was an American f*ck-up.

Correct but we live in a world now that whoever is the president, they get the blame. Welcome aboard.

 

[DaShuckster]

Just like Vietnam, this wasn't a Republican or Democrat f*ck-up, this was an American f*ck-up.

After Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan, you'd think we might start to learn something. Thank God no one in my extended family died in one of these idiotic wars so I'd have to explain to their children or grandchildren what they died for..

 

[DaShuckster]

Biden says the blames on him...then blames Trump and Afghans. I mean he had 7 months to prepare a strategy. Incompetent!

Explain to us your 'winning' exit strategy for a county whose military stood down and offered zero resistance rather than defend their government against the Taliban terrorists.

We're all ears, Melvin.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

There is no winning PR strategy for withdrawing from Afghanistan and acknowledging 20 years of waste. Doesn’t exist.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

We only had 2,500 troops Mr gloves. We barely had a presence already and not a huge commitment but a strategic relationship in the region. Clearly leadership issues that led to the immediate debacle. He wanted a political victory to say we are out of Afghanistan. Joe is viewed as weak to the world. Whatever the best exit strategy, everyone can agree that plan was a typical Biden plan. He just gave terrorist weapons, drones, etc. While his failure is leading to absolute mess, he is back to hiding in his basement on vacation. He should resign in disgrace. He is just like his loser son. Both of them make horrible decisions.

Does your BDS switch have an off setting?

 

[Knight In TN]

Explain to us your 'winning' exit strategy for a county whose military stood down and offered zero resistance rather than defend their government against the Taliban terrorists.

We're all ears, Melvin.

Keep. The. Fûcking. Troops. In. Until. We’ve. Extracted:
- interpreters
- people who helped us
- our people
- our weapons and equipment

Jesus, how hard is that?

And holy fûcking shit, is your stance realllllly, “well this shitty plan was Trump’s shitty plan?” You mean the POTUS isn’t able to recognize a dog shit plan and change it in 8 months, when he has all the authority necessary to make that happen?

People who helped us are being slaughtered. Interpreters hung in the streets, their DoD ID’s melted into their chest, their families killed, and their daughters being given to Taliban leadership. Because we didn’t take the time to get them out before we left.

If that doesn’t make you furious, fück you.

 

[sk8knight]

Ruby Ridge and Waco changed Gen-X to question government like Vietnam did Boomers.

Unfortunately too many Millennials and Zoomers think bigger government will solve problems...

And think we Gen-X'ers are too much like Boomers when we want the government to have less power, and more equal weapons, to the populace.

You’re looking for overt things, but the schools from university on down also started skewing further and further left. Probably the best way to create a revolution in a Democracy or Democratic Republic is through the education system, as Venezuela shows us quite well. You end up with people voting in that sea change before they’ve even had any experience to challenge their education.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

You’re looking for overt things, but the schools from university on down also started skewing further and further left. Probably the best way to create a revolution in a Democracy or Democratic Republic is through the education system, as Venezuela shows us quite well. You end up with people voting in that sea change before they’ve even had any experience to challenge their education.

Sounds like a massive conspiracy undertaken by literally every educator. Across the globe even.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Wow. Lots of people digging in on this with a strong stance. Sorry guys. This is a Biden fukc up of epic proportions thrown in with definite blame to the sheep 🐑 Afghanistan military who made France in WW-2 look against Nazi Germany look like the Spartans in the movie 300.

I mean a few days?? WTF??

This is mostly Biden’s fault because it’s 8 months into his presidency and not several weeks. What a disaster and waste of 20 years and a Trillion dollars

 

[sk8knight]

Sounds like a massive conspiracy undertaken by literally every educator. Across the globe even.

This is an ignorant response and you’re better than this.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

We never had control of Afghanistan..Why do u think it was taken over so fast...Because Al Q had people in place before hand..It means United States was never in control...I see now its best we leave Afghanistan. Because we never were in control. I want us to leave Iran Iraq and Israel. It's best I see Trump and Biden are right in leaving. .

 

[Knight In TN]

Right. Glad we have a military strategist on the board. The US extracted quietly and quickly from the country. Precisely for the reasons that intel has outlined and knowing the fallout that would occur once they left. Because a significant portion of the Afghan forces were sympathetic to the Taliban and preferred their leadership.

There’s no excuse for leaving behind people we knew were in mortal danger and allowing them to be tortured and killed while our equipment fell into the hands of the Taliban.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

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We never had control of Afghanistan..Why do u think it was taken over so fast...Because Al Q had people in place before hand..It means United States was never in control...I see now its best we leave Afghanistan. Because we never were in control. I want us to leave Iran Iraq and Israel. It's best I see Trump and Biden are right in leaving Afghanistan..

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

It's best let's also leave Iran Iraq and defunct Military..Let's only give them 300 billion instead of 750 billion for 4 years

 

[hemightbejeremy]

This is an ignorant response and you’re better than this.

An ignorant comment warrants an ignorant response. It should be clear why educators “skew left”. Because advancement of knowledge and technology is the antithesis of traditional conservative values. As we make new discoveries and knowledge turns from “this is the way things are” to “this is why things are the way they are”, the “why” often flies in the face of established traditionalist thinking. Leading exasperated conservatives to drone on about things “skewing left”.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

And use that money for Healthcare and promoting jobs

 

[Poolside Knight]

There’s no excuse for leaving behind people we knew were in mortal danger and allowing them to be tortured and killed while our equipment fell into the hands of the Taliban.

some of them turned down leaving earlier bc they didn’t expect the Taliban to advance this quick .
How is that Potus’s fault when they didn’t want to immediately leave their home country ? I am sure the bureaucracy for those that do is too slow but there were some that were content in waiting bc they didn’t expect this

 

[hemightbejeremy]

There’s no excuse for leaving behind people we knew were in mortal danger and allowing them to be tortured and killed while our equipment fell into the hands of the Taliban.

So there is no excuse to ever leave?

 

[_glaciers]

nice to see TDS still alive and well after almost a year out of office!

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Normally it is trolling because he is an absolute idiot and a huge embarrassment. This unfortunately killed 20 years of progress and left a country in complete shambles. People are fighting for their lives and he is vacationing...from an issue created by his lack of leadership. The guy fails at everything. He was a bottom of his class guy. I believe he didn't want the bin laden mission. He should resign.

So no?

 

[sk8knight]

An ignorant comment warrants an ignorant response. It should be clear why educators “skew left”. Because advancement of knowledge and technology is the antithesis of traditional conservative values. As we make new discoveries and knowledge turns from “this is the way things are” to “this is why things are the way they are”, the “why” often flies in the face of established traditionalist thinking. Leading exasperated conservatives to drone on about things “skewing left”.

And yet so many of our educations embrace the regressiveness of socialism and totalitarianism. Also, it’s a myth that advancement is anti-conservative. Technological innovation doesn’t skew down progressive versus conservative lines. Social constructs do, by their nature, and that is what we are talking about.

 

[Poolside Knight]

 

[djrenown]

Always good to see we can bring over afghan refugees, but to Haitian and Cubans wanting to come over

"allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea you will not come to the United States"

 

[Poolside Knight]

Always good to see we can bring over afghan refugees, but to Haitian and Cubans wanting to come over

"allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea you will not come to the United States"

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[DaShuckster]

Keep. The. Fûcking. Troops. In. Until. We’ve. Extracted:

I was for Keep. The. F*king Troops In Period. Your buddies here were all for getting the hell out.

If that doesn’t make you furious, fück you.

Excuse me, Mr. Sanctimonious, who isn’t upset by this scene?

 

[Cubs79]

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One of those pictures is at a secure compound, the other is on the street. She said she has always worn a head covering on the street.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

One of those pictures is at a secure compound, the other is on the street. She said she has always worn a head covering on the street.

You are dealing with the literal braindead.

 

[Cubs79]

You are dealing with the literal braindead.

I know, that has made the rounds on twitter, and she responded to it yesterday. She is also a badass. I saw her interviewing Taliban members on the street yesterday, and she doesnt hold back on her questions.

 

[Cubs79]

She doesn't hold back so she dresses like a Muslim. Lol

Yes, so she can do her job, that's how it works.