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Why is it that we don't charge kids under the age of 18 for real crimes since "they don't know better" yet it's just assumed that an 8 year old "knows" that they're a woman trapped in a male's body?

What f*cking kids are thinking about this?

There's no doubt in my mind that this is left wing projection, NOT actual child input.
Exactly .
 
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Well, considering it's high school, I am willing to bet you won't find many straight, cis males going through the trouble and getting the reputation as someone who is transitioning to female just to be able to see girls walking in and out of closed stalls inside the bathrooms. And I would imagine if it's just a dude throwing on a dress in a mockery of the rule, they would be reprimanded the way a female student who admits a false rape accusation is.

I mean, just from a logical standpoint- most sexual predators don't want to get caught and unless they do an amazing job (which take a long time) of looking convincingly enough like a cis-gendered woman, they are going to draw attention to themselves just from pretending to be trans. Plus, this all implies that we haven't really cared much about all the young boys being victims of predators in bathrooms.

I totally understand that fear for your child makes you want to err on the side of caution, especially if trans is something you don't believe in or agree with. But, statistics don't lie- most trans individuals have been using the bathroom with their gender (not their birth sex) and you are hard-pressed to find instances where a trans person went into a bathroom and sexually assaulted a child. You do, however, find staggering statistics about cis-gendered men who dress as men sexually assaulting children.
So, logically (and statistically) the fear shouldn't be trans individuals' right to feel comfortable with something as basic as going to the bathroom, or even cis-gendered men pretending to be trans to get into women's restrooms, but it should be vigilance towards cis-gendered men dressed as men using bathrooms.

That all being said, I know where I'm posting. I know this will fall on deaf ears, and will honestly just fuel the near-constant ridicule of liberals, hippies, freaks, or pick you choice of label. So whatever, I just genuinely hope the people who are spewing the most hate never have a trans child. They will have enough to deal with in their life journey.

How does a teacher identify who is really trans or just a horny kid that wants to go see girls in their underwear? Do they put their job on the line trying to make the distinction?
 
http://uproxx.com/tv/seth-meyers-bathrooms-battlegrounds/

“When conservatives claim that trans people are preying on children and that they shouldn’t be allowed to use the bathroom they want to use, it’s not a response to an actual problem. It’s an age-old scam used to mobilize people against a vulnerable minority group. But attacking someone who’s different than you doesn’t make you a protector of children. It makes you a villager in a Disney movie. You know who actually needs protection? Trans people.”

Meyers followed up his statements about protecting transgender people, and not the hypothetical innocent children being paraded around by Republican politicians and pundits, with statistics pulled from a recent Washington Postarticle debunking five major myths about the transgender community. The first myth addressed? That “transgender people pose a threat in public bathrooms.” According to op-ed columnist Jack Drescher, a practicing psychiatrist “who specializes in gender identity and sexuality,” such a belief is “flat-out wrong.”

For example, many cities and schools in the state of Maryland ban bathroom discrimination of any kind. Using Politifact numbers, Drescher undermined this conservative claim with the fact that “there have been no reported cases of such laws leading to harassment.” Instead, bathroom bills like HB2 might actually prove dangerous for trans people, as 70 percent claimed in one studythey’d been “harassed, assaulted or denied access when attempting to use a public bathroom.”
 
http://uproxx.com/tv/seth-meyers-bathrooms-battlegrounds/

“When conservatives claim that trans people are preying on children and that they shouldn’t be allowed to use the bathroom they want to use, it’s not a response to an actual problem. It’s an age-old scam used to mobilize people against a vulnerable minority group. But attacking someone who’s different than you doesn’t make you a protector of children. It makes you a villager in a Disney movie. You know who actually needs protection? Trans people.”

Meyers followed up his statements about protecting transgender people, and not the hypothetical innocent children being paraded around by Republican politicians and pundits, with statistics pulled from a recent Washington Postarticle debunking five major myths about the transgender community. The first myth addressed? That “transgender people pose a threat in public bathrooms.” According to op-ed columnist Jack Drescher, a practicing psychiatrist “who specializes in gender identity and sexuality,” such a belief is “flat-out wrong.”

For example, many cities and schools in the state of Maryland ban bathroom discrimination of any kind. Using Politifact numbers, Drescher undermined this conservative claim with the fact that “there have been no reported cases of such laws leading to harassment.” Instead, bathroom bills like HB2 might actually prove dangerous for trans people, as 70 percent claimed in one studythey’d been “harassed, assaulted or denied access when attempting to use a public bathroom.”

No one here has said any of that. No one has said transgender people are a threat. It's the people that are going to be able to take advantage with no repercussions. Feel free to continue with straw men though.
 
http://uproxx.com/tv/seth-meyers-bathrooms-battlegrounds/

“When conservatives claim that trans people are preying on children and that they shouldn’t be allowed to use the bathroom they want to use, it’s not a response to an actual problem. It’s an age-old scam used to mobilize people against a vulnerable minority group. But attacking someone who’s different than you doesn’t make you a protector of children. It makes you a villager in a Disney movie. You know who actually needs protection? Trans people.”

Meyers followed up his statements about protecting transgender people, and not the hypothetical innocent children being paraded around by Republican politicians and pundits, with statistics pulled from a recent Washington Postarticle debunking five major myths about the transgender community. The first myth addressed? That “transgender people pose a threat in public bathrooms.” According to op-ed columnist Jack Drescher, a practicing psychiatrist “who specializes in gender identity and sexuality,” such a belief is “flat-out wrong.”

For example, many cities and schools in the state of Maryland ban bathroom discrimination of any kind. Using Politifact numbers, Drescher undermined this conservative claim with the fact that “there have been no reported cases of such laws leading to harassment.” Instead, bathroom bills like HB2 might actually prove dangerous for trans people, as 70 percent claimed in one studythey’d been “harassed, assaulted or denied access when attempting to use a public bathroom.”

Eventually, acceptance and normalization of all deviancy (why does it always seems to be "sexual" in nature) will be forced upon the general populace regardless of their views. People will be forced into acquiescence and forced to acknowledge, accept, and condone the deviant behaviors.
 
No one here has said any of that. No one has said transgender people are a threat. It's the people that are going to be able to take advantage with no repercussions. Feel free to continue with straw men though.

It is already illegal to be a perv in a bathroom. Letting transgenders use the shitter they feel most comfortable using isn't going to make sexual assault suddenly legal.
 
Why is it that we don't charge kids under the age of 18 for real crimes since "they don't know better" yet it's just assumed that an 8 year old "knows" that they're a woman trapped in a male's body?

What f*cking kids are thinking about this?

There's no doubt in my mind that this is left wing projection, NOT actual child input.

You, obviously, haven't been around enough children to know what you're talking about.

But, since you guys think gayness and transgenderness is just a choice, not knowing what you're talking about is common.
 
You still don't seem to be able to read.
He doesnt understand that they are creating a legal defense for pervs in bathrooms. Especially since there is no real definition of what transgender individual is, and that it is in fact fluid so that it can change based on the individuals whims. So a perv could say he felt like a woman, as soon as the trial is over, hes back to being a guy again. Kind of like the rumors going around that Jenner is considering going back to being a guy again.
 
He doesnt understand that they are creating a legal defense for pervs in bathrooms. Especially since there is no real definition of what transgender individual is, and that it is in fact fluid so that it can change based on the individuals whims. So a perv could say he felt like a woman, as soon as the trial is over, hes back to being a guy again. Kind of like the rumors going around that Jenner is considering going back to being a guy again.
That is complete nonsense. If there were a situation where somebody tried to use this as a court defense, they would have to prove transgenderness, it would be easy to prove or disprove. This is, once again, why you guys look like idiots. Because you manage to equate a person living their lives as a transgender, to somebody who decides to put on clothing of the opposite sex. You are absurd.

These laws have never been necessary for public safety, as transgender people have always used the bathrooms that matched their identity, not their sex. And there were no problems. None.
The fact that "conservatives" introduced this issue as a "public safety concern", despite the fact that there is no public safety concern, is simply governance for the sake of governance. Low hanging fruit to attract the homophobic/transphobic sheltered dipshit vote. e.g., you guys.
 
That is complete nonsense. If there were a situation where somebody tried to use this as a court defense, they would have to prove transgenderness, it would be easy to prove or disprove. This is, once again, why you guys look like idiots. Because you manage to equate a person living their lives as a transgender, to somebody who decides to put on clothing of the opposite sex. You are absurd.

These laws have never been necessary for public safety, as transgender people have always used the bathrooms that matched their identity, not their sex. And there were no problems. None.
The fact that "conservatives" introduced this issue as a "public safety concern", despite the fact that there is no public safety concern, is simply governance for the sake of governance. Low hanging fruit to attract the homophobic/transphobic sheltered dipshit vote. e.g., you guys.

Since it is so easy to prove/disprove if a person is transgender why did you leave that out? Feel free to share with us how a person proves their gender identity. That is what I've been asking this entire thread. You all just keep saying it's so easy, but I still haven't seen an answer.
 
Lol at a guy who doesn't have kids or any interest in them saying he would never have any popping off about someone not being around kids . I'd say several of us here have a million times more experience to draw on interacting with kids than cummie does
 
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Since it is so easy to prove/disprove if a person is transgender why did you leave that out? Feel free to share with us how a person proves their gender identity. That is what I've been asking this entire thread. You all just keep saying it's so easy, but I still haven't seen an answer.
Truth is Bob you can just ask them now . They just decide if they are male or female on their own . Science has no place in the modern world
 
Lol at a guy who doesn't have kids or any interest in them saying he would never have any popping off about someone not being around kids . I'd say several of us here have a million times more experience to draw on interacting with kids than cummie does

I hope this doesn't make you run to school and pull your precious children out of class, but be aware that there are likely some gay children there, and maybe even a trans.
 
Since it is so easy to prove/disprove if a person is transgender why did you leave that out? Feel free to share with us how a person proves their gender identity. That is what I've been asking this entire thread. You all just keep saying it's so easy, but I still haven't seen an answer.

Gender dysphoria has been a medically recognized diagnosis since 1980. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't mean you guys are correct.
 
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He doesnt understand that they are creating a legal defense for pervs in bathrooms. Especially since there is no real definition of what transgender individual is, and that it is in fact fluid so that it can change based on the individuals whims. So a perv could say he felt like a woman, as soon as the trial is over, hes back to being a guy again. Kind of like the rumors going around that Jenner is considering going back to being a guy again.
Pervs in bathroom are still pervs. This policy doesn't change that. Recording or leering people or molesting them in the bathroom is criminal no matter what the gender of the perv is that day. This reaction is such a baseless panic.
 
Gender dysphoria has been a medically recognized diagnosis since 1980. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't mean you guys are correct.

HOW DO YOU PROVE SOMEONE'S GENDER IDENTITY?

I never said it didn't exist, I never bashed trans or gay people. I asked a simple question that you said had an easy answer but you still haven't provided it. You just keep name calling.

HOW DO YOU PROVE THE KID THAT JUST WANTS TO SHOWER WITH GIRLS AFTER GYM AND SEE THEM NAKED IS LYING?
 
HOW DO YOU PROVE SOMEONE'S GENDER IDENTITY?

I never said it didn't exist, I never bashed trans or gay people. I asked a simple question that you said had an easy answer but you still haven't provided it. You just keep name calling.

HOW DO YOU PROVE THE KID THAT JUST WANTS TO SHOWER WITH GIRLS AFTER GYM AND SEE THEM NAKED IS LYING?
The chub would be a dead giveaway
 
The guy who identifies as a girl can't be attracted to girls?
Then it's a really big clit, I guess...

This really is a no-win situation if you think about it. The male who identifies as female (or the female who identifies as male) will get ostracized in either bathroom regardless of gender identity. I just think worrying about a sexual crime that may or may not ever actually happen is silly.
 
Pervs in bathroom are still pervs. This policy doesn't change that. Recording or leering people or molesting them in the bathroom is criminal no matter what the gender of the perv is that day. This reaction is such a baseless panic.
Hearsay that the perv was just in there to look at women and girls. Unless you have video proof or multiple witnesses. Otherwise, he has just as much a right to be in there as the girls because his defense will be that he feels like a woman inside.
 
Hearsay that the perv was just in there to look at women and girls. Unless you have video proof or multiple witnesses. Otherwise, he has just as much a right to be in there as the girls because his defense will be that he feels like a woman inside.
Since when do you need multiple witnesses to accuse someone of sexual harassment in a restroom?
 
Hearsay that the perv was just in there to look at women and girls. Unless you have video proof or multiple witnesses. Otherwise, he has just as much a right to be in there as the girls because his defense will be that he feels like a woman inside.
Doesn't matter what the perv feels about his gender, if he's harassing the other people in the bathroom, it's harassment.
 
Doesn't matter what the perv feels about his gender, if he's harassing the other people in the bathroom, it's harassment.
How often are those types of charges prosecuted? What is their win percentage? All this does is give them a legal reason for being in that bathroom in the first place.

So you are ok with putting the millions of women and children in this country at risk of predators just so that the .003% of the population might feel bad about using the bathroom of their biological sex?
 
That would make him a lesbian.

This is literally correct. I have a good friend who is a transwoman and identifies as a lesbian.

This thread really hurts my head and my heart. So much blind ignorance and meanness. It's overwhelming. LMK was about to come in here and give her point by point dismantling of pretty much everything said in here since she used to give trans cultural sensitivity trainings on a regular basis, but just gave up because what's the point?
 
How often are those types of charges prosecuted? What is their win percentage? All this does is give them a legal reason for being in that bathroom in the first place.

So you are ok with putting the millions of women and children in this country at risk of predators just so that the .003% of the population might feel bad about using the bathroom of their biological sex?

This exactly. A guy walking into a women's bathroom would immediately set off alarms in everyone's head. That doesn't matter anymore though. Any guy now has the right to be a women's bathroom. All they have to say is they feel like a girl.
 
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This is literally correct. I have a good friend who is a transwoman and identifies as a lesbian.

This thread really hurts my head and my heart. So much blind ignorance and meanness. It's overwhelming. LMK was about to come in here and give her point by point dismantling of pretty much everything said in here since she used to give trans cultural sensitivity trainings on a regular basis, but just gave up because what's the point?

So can you answer the question then? Or did you just come here to name call too? How does a person prove/disprove their gender identity in the court when they use it as their defense for following women into the bathroom?
 
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This is literally correct. I have a good friend who is a transwoman and identifies as a lesbian.

This thread really hurts my head and my heart. So much blind ignorance and meanness. It's overwhelming. LMK was about to come in here and give her point by point dismantling of pretty much everything said in here since she used to give trans cultural sensitivity trainings on a regular basis, but just gave up because what's the point?
Please tell her to come back. While I am probably 100% against her point of view, I would at least like to hear it.
 
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