YesFloyd would have had to have been college-educated and White to sniff the 20 million level, right Crazy?
when Derek Chauvin inevitably walks ...
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Well, the trail has started. I know you guys have been saying this is an 'open and shut case' and that Chauvin will walk but it sure didn't sound like the defense got off to a sterling start.
If this thing was so 'clear cut' as I've been told to believe given the drugs in Floyd's system, why has the prosecution lining up fellow cops to testify against him, including the city's Police Chief? If this was all 'by the book' as you've reassured me here, what's going on?
The video showed 9 minutes and 29 seconds (longer than originally reported) of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd while he cried out 27 times that he couldn't breathe before fading away. Bizarrely, following the video, the defense team didn't even acknowledge how difficult the video was to watch. They simply proceeded on as if it hadn't just been shown to the jury. Yikes!
One of the first witnesses was the 911 dispatcher who testified that watching the live stream, she felt a "gut instinct" at the time that "something was not right."
If this thing was so 'clear cut' as I've been told to believe given the drugs in Floyd's system, why has the prosecution lining up fellow cops to testify against him, including the city's Police Chief? If this was all 'by the book' as you've reassured me here, what's going on?
The video showed 9 minutes and 29 seconds (longer than originally reported) of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd while he cried out 27 times that he couldn't breathe before fading away. Bizarrely, following the video, the defense team didn't even acknowledge how difficult the video was to watch. They simply proceeded on as if it hadn't just been shown to the jury. Yikes!
One of the first witnesses was the 911 dispatcher who testified that watching the live stream, she felt a "gut instinct" at the time that "something was not right."
We aren't the ones that have claimed that this is "open and shut", that was you.
I didn't take that as a claim that this is open and shut. It's a convoluted case so it's pretty hard to convict. Thats a little bit different than claims that it's obvious Chauvin is 100% responsible for his death.
was also before the 3rd degree charge was reinstated.
ps Fentanyl Floyd got what he deserved and Chauvin is a hero comparable to Batman for his sacrifice.
It seemed odd that the judge reinstated the 3rd degree murder charge. Why did Ellison have that one dropped in the first place?
If you’re actually following this trial, there’s an old adage that says when you have the facts, pound the facts; when you don’t, pound the table. The prosecution has started off with a lot of pounding the table so far. More than that, the prosecution has put forth a lot of the arguments that were in the public conversation; the issue with those being that they’re are easily countered by the defense. The state witnesses have been a mess so far too.
I think we are beginning to see why we saw such a big judgement pre-trial.
I think we are beginning to see why we saw such a big judgement pre-trial.
When I got divorced 11 years ago, I learned this and it's absolutely true. I was appalled by some of the things that my ex claimed at the beginning of the trial and was pissed that my lawyer wasn't jumping all over what were obviously lies. After the first day of the hearing, he explained to me that it wasn't worth fighting every lie because if that's what they are resorting to, they've already lost. Yeah, it cost me 70,000 bucks in legal fees but I got custody of 3 daughters all under the age of 10. Some lawyers are pretty damn good tacticians and know what to respond to and when. Sometimes that means not responding at all.
Here’s a good analysis of the day’s events.
legalinsurrection.com
Chauvin Trial Day 1 Wrap-Up: Opening Arguments & Three State Witnesses
State Witnesses: 911 dispatcher, grocery worker witness, martial arts witness
legalinsurrection.com
Good analysis? LOL. I didn't even have to check the link to know it was some conservative blog that would feed you the red meat you crave.
From the blog:
"The state’s opening consisted largely of the kind of hyperbole, emotive pleading, and half-truths that we’ve grown to expect from politically motivated prosecutions, and relatively little focus on the facts required to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to secure a just conviction."
Hyperbole? Emotive pleading? Half-truths? Politically-motivated?
It is a fact that George Floyd was held down by officers for over nine minutes while crying out 27 times that he couldn't breathe before falling into a comatose state without raising a peep from Chauvin or the other officers.
Scores of people on the scene or watching the live-feed like the 911 dispatcher knew Floyd was in trouble yet the police did nothing. Yet the defense would have you believe that the crowd's pleas for the officers to help the man "distracted" them from the care of Floyd and focus instead on the "growing threat" in front of them. LOL. Talk about hyperbole!!!
Since posters here are SO into the facts surrounding the case, here's another:
After Floyd fell into a comatose state, Chauvin continued to keep his knee on Floyd's throat for another 3 minutes and 51 seconds.
During this time, Chauvin was told by his fellow officers they couldn't find a pulse for Floyd. In fact, he was told this twice during this period of time yet does not let up.
Is this 'by the book' too, sk8?
Which is why he will likely be charged with manslaughter. The cops might have been able to keep him alive, but that's still kind of a big "if". Floyd swallowed 2 Mgs of fentanyl during the arrest, which probably would have killed him no matter what they did.
I wondered why they were still sitting in the car several minutes after Floyd left the store. It appears that he was starting to OD before the cops arrived and then added more drugs into his system after they showed up.
nypost.com
George Floyd may have taken Percocet during fatal arrest: defense
Defense lawyer Eric Nelson said during opening arguments that Floyd’s pals told police that they had trouble waking him up after he took the drugs on May 25, 2020, the day he died while in po…
nypost.com
He died under the knee of the officer. The officer will be convicted.I wondered why they were still sitting in the car several minutes after Floyd left the store. It appears that he was starting to OD before the cops arrived and then added more drugs into his system after they showed up.
George Floyd may have taken Percocet during fatal arrest: defense
Defense lawyer Eric Nelson said during opening arguments that Floyd’s pals told police that they had trouble waking him up after he took the drugs on May 25, 2020, the day he died while in po…
Of course he will. The only question is the severity of his conviction.
It takes a special kind of person to look at this case and opine that Floyd committed suicide and Chauvin is innocent.
Funny thing, I don't ever recall a suicide victim ever crying out for help to a police officer 27 times and being callously ignored.
What's your grand explanation for the nearly four minutes Chuavin continued to kneel on his neck after he lay comatose and was found to not have a pulse?
And their modus operandi is always the same: Villainize the victim in an attempt to 'justify' the tragedy that took place.
Under your justification there would be a lot of dead ucf meathead students and former football players . JJ Worton tried to fight a cop at Knight Library drunk
and stoned out of his mind but he is alive to regret a really bad night
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It sure didn't take KNIGHTTIME long to prove my point:
This bullshit has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd's death yet it's being paraded out here so that someone might read it and go, "Well, I'll be damned, I guess he deserved to die!" 🙄
Arguing the cause of death is fair. But I saw with my eyes a man that was alive under the officers knee and then a man dead under the officers knee. That will be what gets him convicted.
Why does he need to have bruises in order for it to be evidence of cutting off oxygen? You could close someone's lips and nose and they will die, no bruises.
I agree though that cause of death is debatable and the fact may be, there were multiple contributors. But that's a tough sell when you see the guy alive and then dead after repeating begging to breath.
At the end of the day I think the cause of death will add enough reasonable doubt for murder, but I think they will at least convict him of manslaughter.
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The witness that was an MMA fighter said it was a blood choke, not an air choke. He also said that it takes 3-5 seconds for a blood choke to knock someone out. When asked whether someone in a blood choke can talk to you he said no. He also said that after someone is rendered unconscious, they can come back to consciousness and start fighting again. The prosecutions witness turned into the defenses witness.
What if the blood choke was applied with less pressure than is during an MMA fight. It could take longer? What is the point you are trying to make?
Yep, that explains away Chauvin keeping his ol' knee on the throat for another four minutes after Floyd lost consciousness and had no pulse.
You never can be too sure. 🙄
The point is that he testified that Floyd couldn't have died from mechanical asphyxiation. This is important to the defense because the private autopsy that was ordered by the Floyd family claimed that was the COD. The guy essentially testified that Floyd didn't die from a lack of air, creating additional doubt on what actually killed him.
How would a bystander know what Floyd died of? He was just a witness, he has no medical background. Why does what he testifies of the cause of Floyd's death matter? What matters is the autopsies.
The defense kind of turned him into a pseudo-expert witness. They got him to display his knowledge of choke-holds. It'll probably play into the narrative later when the defense calls their own experts. They want to undermine the private autopsy, and this guy set the groundwork for doubt. Right or wrong, it probably did help the defense.
The woman lawyer for the prosecution did really, really well there with the 18 year old girl, but the defense unraveled all of it with just a couple of questions. That was mind-boggling. I thought after he initial examination that Chauvin was for sure going to be toast, but getting her to admit that she did tell investigators that the cops checked Floyd's pulse several times is pretty crushing. The prosecution really needs to focus on the time between the paramedics showing up and when Chauvin got off of Floyd's neck. That should be the Trump card for them.
The state called a witness and asked him a bunch of questions usually reserved for experts because he works out at a mma gym. He was absolutely wrong on a number of his assertions which will be picked apart by a defense expert. So far, the prosecution has been mostly emotional appeal and little substance. We know the medical examiner will be a train wreck. The state better have some aces up their sleeves because it’s looking like they’re going to get destroyed so far.
I just watched the video again. It was just under 3 minutes between the time that Floyd stopped moving and the EMTs showed up to check his pulse. It will be really interesting when they get to the testimony of the guy who checked him so we can find out if he died at the scene or on the way to the hospital.
The EMT testimony includes them saying that they were afraid to work on Floyd at the scene due to the hostile crown and had to relocate him before they could start trying to save his life.
There's a special brand of irony for a defense that's claiming the cops couldn't save Floyd's life because the crowd was becoming increasingly angry because they were refusing their urgent pleas to save Floyd's life.
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